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devaughn
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 Posted - 17/04/2007 : 04:31:13
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Brand new to Norwegian Research. My daughter married a great young man with Norwegian Ancestory and I am just learning about Norwegian Research. Have several dictionaries and history books but need help with understanding nature of birth records for children who are illegitimate..
I have discovered the arkivverket.no web site and I am having a ball. The following is a record I am trying to understand.
Source information: Sogn og Fjordane county, Tjugum in Balestrand, Parish register copy nr. A 1
(1853-1880), Birth and baptism records 1856, page 7.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070306640484.jpg
The child in question in Anna, fourth line from the bottom (17)
From the 1865 Norway Census, I learned that her mother is Brita Endresdatter Farnæs, married with a second child. I was suprised to see that Anna Andersdatter Farnæs had uægte attached to her name in the census. It is common to continue attaching the label to the child?
The second to last column on the right page I was told was Baptised at home and who performed the baptism. Is this correct?
The last column on the right side is the person reporting the unwed status of the mother. It appears to be Endre Olsen Farnæs. Is this correct? Could this be her father? What is the line below the name?
Thank you for any help,
Dale E. Vaughn
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Dale E. Vaughn
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Edited by - devaughn on 17/04/2007 04:32:45 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/04/2007 : 08:31:14
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The columns is as follows: baptism number, the stated date of the birth, date baptized, the full name of the child, whether by married parents (ægte) or not (uægte), the full name of the parents, their civic status and where they live, the names of godfathers, whether and by whom baptized at home, if "uægte" child who gave the information.
In Annas case the fathers name is given in the appropriate column, he is "bachelor Anders Pedersen" and the mother is "maiden Brithe Endresdatter."
Anna was baptized at home July 11 by Ellend H. Farnæs and the one who informed about the child status "uægte" was Endre Olsen Farnæs (note that he is mentioned as the first of the godfathers). The line below the name seems to be a statement (difficult to read) that this was their first illegitimate intercourse.
In the 1865 census I think the registrar just would like to make it clear that Anna Andersdatter (the daughter of Anders) is her daughter (hendes datter) and that she has not been married before, now married to Axel Axelsen and they have a mutual daughter (begges da(tter)) Oline Axelsd(atter). |
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Edited by - eibache on 17/04/2007 08:32:30 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/04/2007 : 10:31:48
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Hi, Einar is right
her father was Anders Pedersen from(it seems like) Wiigs Præstegjeld/Vig prestegjeld in Sogn .
Balestrand is in the central part of Norways largest fjord, Sognefjorden on the Northern area, Wig/Vig is across the the fjord on the Southern part.
Anders Pedersen is not listed in the 1865 census for Balestrand, perhaps he went back to Wiig.
Just a theory,but perhaps it´s Anders Pedersen age 33,cotter without land mariried on farm Næse with two children in the 1865 census for vig
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=25&filnamn=f61417&gardpostnr=401&personpostnr=2259&merk=2259#ovre
Aksel Akselsen Tjugum, cotter witout land and soldier, his wife Brita Endresdatter, Oline b. 1863 and Anna b. 1856, emigrated April 7. 1866, right page, persons nr 34-35-36-37, Anna as "Hendes Datter: Anna" Her Daughter: Anna
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8378&idx_id=8478&uid=ny&idx_side=-179
They left on ship Monsoon April 29, dep. port Bergen, dest Quebec. Axel Akselsen is for one reason wrongspelled as Aad Aadsen Tjugum age 25, perhaps the real Aad is spelled Axel in another record.
The last name Tjugum ? following Brithe, Anne and Oline tells that the clerc undestodd he had done a mistake but could not source it out
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=18&filnamn=Quebec65&gardpostnr=1599&merk=1599#ovre
Monsson, no passenger list available: http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=monso
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Edited by - Kåarto on 17/04/2007 11:11:19 |
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devaughn
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Posted - 17/04/2007 : 16:40:20
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| Please accept my graditude for your kindness. If there is ever any research you need on the American side, please feel free to contact me by email. |
Dale E. Vaughn
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/04/2007 : 20:22:40
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Thank you for offering assistance Dale, I appresiate that , but if it wasn´t for Admin/Børge and others, these fora would not have been possible.
Have you find Brita /Brithe Endresdatter´s confirmation record, about 15-16 years old, you will also find the names of her parents there?
This dictionary can be to great help in the understanding of census reords: http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/files/word.htm
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Edited by - Kåarto on 17/04/2007 22:59:56 |
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devaughn
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Posted - 17/04/2007 : 23:27:47
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Dear Kåre
I have not looked for the confirmation information yet. You and others have given me so much to get entered into my data base that I have not had time.
Thanks for the dictionary suggestion. The dictionaries I have did not give the meaning for Pige (Pike). This confirms my guess as to its meaning.
This is a wonderful site and people like you and the other posters make it that way. The Ship information was great and lead me to find the family in Minnesota - they had Americanized their names so I had not found them before.
Thanks Again,
Dale |
Dale E. Vaughn
Denver, CO |
Edited by - devaughn on 17/04/2007 23:34:15 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/04/2007 : 08:28:29
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Bachelor and soldier Axel Axelsen, 23 and a half years, son of Axel Christophersen, Vigøren, and maiden Britha Endresdatter, 32 years, got married May 30 1864 in Balestrand.
Brithas father is Endre Olsen, Farnæs (also Annas godfather and the one informing about her being an "uægte" child).
Their daughter Oline, born Dec 16 1863, is also an "uægte" child. From the baptism record can be seen that Axel also is the father of an earlier "uægte" child.
Endre Olsen, Farnæs was a widower when he Febr 7 1862 married maiden Kari Eriksdatter, Njøs. Endres father is Ole Endresen, Munddal.
Britha Markusdatter, who died Oct 4 1859 and was burried Oct 10 and was a 53 years old cotters wife at Farnæs, is most likely Brithas mother. |
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devaughn
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Posted - 18/04/2007 : 16:17:48
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Dear Einar,
Thank you so much. I am a very experienced researcher and report writer in American records so I know how much time and effort you have given to me.
My son-in-law's parents are so impressed with the results I have achieved. I gave full credit to you and Kåre for finding so much information so fast
I am doing a history of the daughter Anna and the Norwegian man she married in America. Her husband was also from Soga og Fjordane (Jostedal Parish, Fosøen farm.) They had 15 children, 13 lived to have children. With up to 5 or 6 generations there are hundreds of people resulting from this very successful Norwegian couple.
Thanks you and if you ever need help in American records, please just ask.
Dale |
Dale E. Vaughn
Denver, CO |
Edited by - devaughn on 18/04/2007 16:22:25 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/04/2007 : 04:35:45
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Children to Endre Olssen & Brithe Markusdatter:
Britha Endresdatter, born 09-Feb-1832
Ole Endresen, born 18-Jan-1835
Ingri Endredatter, born 18-Oct-1838
Marcus Endresen, born 08-Jan-1844
When Britha and Ole was born, the family stayed at the Dale farm. Ingri and Marcus are born at Farnes.
Britha Endresdatter is an illegitimate child (but not Ole), so Endre & Brithe must have married between Feb-1832 and Jan-1835.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 19/04/2007 04:40:24 |
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devaughn
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Posted - 20/04/2007 : 02:07:46
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Again, thank you so much. This board is the greatest. If you need USA research done, feel free to email me.
Dale |
Dale E. Vaughn
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Information about illegitmate children
