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Lislcat
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 Posted - 30/04/2007 : 19:18:59
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I am searching for information on Teresie K. Isaksen, born abt 1861, to Isak Andersen and Anne Oline Jakobsdatter, in Søndeled Landsogn, Aust-Agder. Teresie is the sister of my great grandfather, Anders Isaksen. Isak Andersen died very young, since Anne Oline is already a widow at 21 years of age, according to the 1865 census. She and her two children at the time, are living with her parents. http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=3&filnamn=f60913&gardpostnr=312&personpostnr=1742&merk=1742#ovre
By 1881, Anne Oline was remarried to Kristian Stenersen and they lived on part of the farm Auslandsbråtane. In 1905 it was owned by - Rannei, Sofie and Inger Stenersen, who I believe to be Anne Oline and Kristian’s children.
My great grandfather came over in 1888 and from what I’ve learned from my uncle, he had a problem with someone, possibly his stepfather Kristian and decided to leave Norway. I have lots of information on my great grandfather, it's just information on his sister that I'm searching for.
I’ve had help from a person at the Søndeled Historical Society, but she can’t find out what happened to Teresie.
I’d appreciate any help you can give.
Thanks, Wanda
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jwiborg
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Posted - 30/04/2007 : 20:21:00
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I wonder if "Teresie K." is a "misspelling" for Anne Kirstine?
Isak Andersen and Anne Oline Jakobsdatter had an Illegitimate child named Anne Kirstine, born 04-May-1862, christened at home on 18-May-1862, Søndeled, Aust-Agder.
Then this could be her. Unmarried, and supported by the local poor relief fund.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 30/04/2007 21:13:45 |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 30/04/2007 : 20:30:38
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Jan Peter,
Thanks! That's very interesting. So I should be searching for Anne Kirstine and see where that leads. Could there possibly another daughter, since the census says that Teresie is 4 years old in 1865? Did you find a marriage record for Isak and Anne Oline? The "Kirstine" part makes some sense to me, because my Grandmother's middle name was Christine, which could of been Anders Isaksen's way of passing his sister's name along.
I'll keep looking.
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Lislcat
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Posted - 30/04/2007 : 20:55:09
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Jan Peter,
Where is Dybvaag? Is it close to Søndeled? So if that is her, she wouldn't of inherited anything, because her father died and her mother remarried? She still could of married, after the 1900 census, since she would of only been 38 years old.
This is very interesting. I guess the only way to figure out if this is Anders' sister, is to either prove or disprove it. Also, Teresie seemed to be a very common name for the area, since when I was doing searches, I came up with many Teresie's from Aust-Agder. Maybe there is another daughter?
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jwiborg
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Posted - 30/04/2007 : 21:00:02
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Widower Isak Andersen (50) and girl Anne Oline Jacobsdatter Ousland (17) got married on Sep-05-1862 in Søndeled, Aust-Agder.
His father Anders Thoresen, her father Jacob Larssen.
Quite an age difference!! 
Can someone read what's written in the right coloumn?
Jan Peter
ps: A child born in 1862 would be listed as 4 yo in census-1865, since the age coloumn in the census should state how old the person would be in 1866.
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Lislcat
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Posted - 30/04/2007 : 21:17:44
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So if Anne Oline was a widow by the time of the 1865 census, they were only married for 3 years? Wow! What a lot to go through by the time you're 21 years old?
I wonder if the people that the Anne Kirstine that you found in the 1900 census, could be relatives? I wonder if one of the two sons listed at the bottom are hers? Their family names don't match up with any of the men living there. Could there be another illegitimate child in the family?
While it's exciting to have possibly found her, this story is kind of depressing. A fifty year old widower, gets a 17 year old girl pregnant and doesn't marry her until 4 months after the baby is born. Then they have a son and the husband dies. The mother remarries at some point and the son leaves for America. The sister has no money and is supported by the local poor relief fund. It sounds like an American soap opera. ;)
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jwiborg
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Posted - 30/04/2007 : 21:26:09
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Yes, sort of a tragedy. Not the only one though, you'll find a lot of similar "happenings" in the history.
Anne Oline Jakobsdatter was also supported by the local poor relief fund by the 1865-census.
Her husband was dead, and by that the (only) way of getting income for the household was lost...
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Lislcat
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Posted - 30/04/2007 : 21:33:13
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Yes, I knew about the relief fund in the 1865 census, which was understandable since she was a young widow with 2 small children, but was surprised to find her daughter still receiving it in 1900. I wonder if there could of been something wrong with her, medically? They would of listed that in the census, wouldn't they have?
Thanks for your help!
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jwiborg
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Posted - 30/04/2007 : 21:57:27
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Well, it's just a possibility that it could be her in census-1900.
She could also be married and known by her husbands lastname in the census. Or she could have emigrated..., or she could have died...
Anders Knudsen b.1890 and Ingeval Oto Larsen b. 1896 could be her sons with two different fathers, Knud and Lars.
That could explain why she needed support by the relief fund.
Tenant farmer Isak Andersen died in Holt on 23-May-1864, 55 years old. He is born 29-Sep-1811, so the correct age would be 52 ½ yo.
Jan Peter
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Lislcat
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Posted - 30/04/2007 : 23:11:28
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Thanks for trying to cheer me up! Yes, it might not be her, but I can't find an Anne Isaksen in the 1865 census for Holt, where she says she is from in the 1900 census that you found.
The way this research is going today, I think those sons listed are hers. I'll start looking for birth records for those boys and see what I can find.
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eibache
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Posted - 30/04/2007 : 23:14:54
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| In the marriage record for Isak and Ane Oline (she is born March 17 1845 by the way) the text in the column to the right is "Første Egdeskap Afholdt i Raamundstad" |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 01/05/2007 : 06:21:21
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Thanks for the correct birthdate for Anne Oline! What does the text in the column to the right say? First something?
I've been looking through the parish records for the birth records of Anders Knudsen and Ingeval Oto Larsen, but still haven't found anything. I will continue with my search tomorrow.
Thanks for all of your help!
Take care, Wanda |
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eibache
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Posted - 01/05/2007 : 09:57:23
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Of course a translation would be in order - First marriage was in Raamundstad
Even if you have a lot of information about your g-grandfather I include from his confirmation record: Anders T(heodor) born Sept 16 1864 at Romundstad Holt, baptized Sept 25 1864 and confirmed Sept 28 1879. His sister Anne Kirstine was confirmed Oct 8 1876 where the parents are recorded as maiden Anne Oline Jakobsdr and deceased Isak Anderson (married Sept 5 1862). |
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eibache
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jwiborg
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Posted - 01/05/2007 : 16:00:38
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Andreas Theodor (Wanda's great grandfather) is born 16-Sep-1863, so Anne Oline would not have been 5 months pregnant with him when husband Isak died.
The christening records of Ander Marcus & Ingvald Otto confirms that this is the sister to Andreas Theodor!
And I believe she must be the "Teresie K" in census-1865.
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Lislcat
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Posted - 01/05/2007 : 17:09:55
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Thank you both for all of this information.
Where did the information come from that said Anne Oline was 5 months pregnant, when Isak Andersen died? Could there have been another child? Possibly one that didn't survive?
After the 1900 census, what is the best way to track what happened to Anne Kirstine and her sons? I wonder if any of them ever came to the U.S.?
I also wonder if the people that she lived with in the 1900 census are her relatives in some way?
As you can tell, all of this information is making me think. I can't research this today, but I will tonight.
Jan Peter you were right!  Anne Kirstine is Teresie K. It's going to take me awhile to get use to the name change, since I've been thinking of her as Teresie for so long.
Take care, Wanda |
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Edited by - Lislcat on 01/05/2007 18:20:09 |
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Teresie K. Isaksen, Søndeled, Aust-Agder
