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hjemmet
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 Posted - 04/05/2007 : 17:29:51
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I am now at a stuck place with my paternal grandmother's mother. Thankfully I have a relative in Arendal able to help some. She had clarified that Gina Krøgenæs was born Dorthee Regine Pedersdatter. What a help THAT was! We then found her in the 1900 census, married to Lars Kristensen with daughter Petrine Marie Kristensen (disabled) living in Aust-Agder, Barbu 15 at the Krøgenæs farm:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=79&filnamn=f00990&gardpostnr=985&merk=985#c
So now we know from the 1900 census:
“Gina Krøgenæs”:
Dorthee Regine Pedersdatter, and born in 1845 at Tromøen Ned
married Lars Kristensen, who was born in 1837 at Øiestad's Ned
I have found Lars Kristensen one generation back, 1865 census. But not his wife.
I wonder where Tromøen Ned is? Is that in Arendal, Aust-Agder?
I would like to find Dorthee in the 1865 census, or ANY information you think will help me find her antecedents.
I also would love to find some more specific information on her children:
Petrine Marie Kristensen b. 1872 (severely disabled)--death date?
Helene Larsen b. 1874 (we know she married Hakon Sorensen, but was unmarried in 1900 census, contracted polio and died without children)
Bertha b. 9 Apr 1877 one of twin girls (unknown married, name came to US)
Gustava b. 9 Apr 1877 one of twin girls (resided in Arendal at Kroegenaes)
Daniel b. 14 Jun 1879 (used Krogenass in US)
Anna b. Feb. 1883 (on ship manifest as Kristiansen, married my Lars Hem)
Martha b. abt. 1885/6 (unknown married name, came to US)
Kristian Larsen Unknown DOB, married, 3 children in US, also died young, at sea
This era of name changes makes for great difficulty! Berta/Bertha and Gustava and Gina all used Krøgenes or Krogenes at some point. I've found Bertha, Gustava, Martha, Daniel & his family & Gina on ship registers travelling to NY at Ellis Island.
I'll keep searching, but sure would appreciate any help.
Takk from Ellie in Tennessee |
Edited by - hjemmet on 04/05/2007 17:39:47 |
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tlwright65
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hjemmet
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 17:45:50
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Holy Smoke, that's QUICK!
Different middle initial, and different place of birth from the 1900 census... how certain could this be? Where would I go next to find her Peder ? father?
Thanks again. You helpers are amazing.
Takk, Ellie |
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tlwright65
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 17:49:20
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| Like I said, a possible Dorothe...I will keep searching! |
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hjemmet
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 17:56:52
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Thanks, Tami,
What here tells you this is the Krognaes farm? I did print out a list of Krogenes Farms from the Land Register, 1886 from the Norwegian Historical Data Centre (a huge Excel file from which I excerpted the list). So I have some sense of families there.
OOOPS... I missed reading the "Data on domicile" at the top! Sorry!!! There it is, Austre Moland... Krogenaes.
Despite the incorrect middle initial, the fact that she is living on one of those Krogenaes farms, certainly would make me believe this is the correct Dorthee.
Still curious about place of birth... Tromoen Ned is the same as Ostermolands Prgj.? What an education we get in this process! It sure is going to help when my Norwegian Dictionary I ordered arrives.
Thanks again,
Ellie
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Originally posted by tlwright65
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0918&kenr=005&bnr=0074&lnr=000
Here's a possible Dorothe in the 1865 census, she is a helper living on the Krøgnæs Farm, and was born in Østermolands.
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tlwright65
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 17:59:02
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Father is Peder Pedersen
Mother is Marthe Davidsdatter
born on 30 Jun 1845 in Tromøy, Aust Agder. Found on FamilySearch.org |
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tlwright65
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Hopkins
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 18:34:26
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You can learn about that 'Ned.' abbreviation by reading -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/aust_agder.html
(John has interesting pages devoted to each of the counties of Norway. He usually lists many resources for each.)
The online LDS library catalog PLACE SEARCH is also a handy search methodology for sorting out place names. A catalog Place Search for Aust-Agder and then click on 'View Related Places' will give you an alphabetical list of areas (many past and present) in Aust-Agder, or whatever area you decide to study. I particularly like to look at the brief narrative under Church Records for any Norwegian district - it often gives a brief history of the area's previous names, etc.
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tlwright65
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 18:50:55
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| Thank you, Hopkins, for that website! I didn't have it! |
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tlwright65
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 20:17:21
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LDS shows that Peder Pedersen and Marthe Davidsdatter married on 22 Aug 1842 in Tromøy, Aust Agder.
Peder Pedersen possibly born to Peder Bjornsen and Mette Margrethe Fredrichsdatter on 16 Mar 1816 in Østre Moland. This is a probability because of the daughter, Mette Margrete!
Marthe Davidsdatter parents are David Danielsen and Rebekka Jensdatter born on 28 Nov 1819 in Tromøy, Aust Agder.
LDS also shows that Marthe Davidsdatter died on 6 Nov 1892 and Peder Pedersen died on 12 Apr 1896.
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Edited by - tlwright65 on 04/05/2007 20:43:04 |
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eibache
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eibache
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 09:26:06
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Dortheas children cannot be found in the scanned churchbook, so using LSD here is what I found with parents being
Lars Christensen Krogenaes and Jorgine OR Gina Pedersen:
Christen, birth 13 JUL 1870 Arendal, Aust-Agder, Norway, death 20 JUL 1909 Arendel, , Aust-Agder, Norway
Petrine, birth 09 DEC 1872 Arendal, Aust-Agder, Norway, death 14 JUN 1922
Helene, birth 17 MAY 1874 Arendal, Aust-Agder, Norway, death 04 JUN 1922
Bertha Fredrikke, birth 08 APR 1877 Krogenaes, Arendal, Aust-Agder, Norway, death 26 MAY 1942 Brooklyn, Kings, New York, spouse Andreas Carlsen
Gustava, birth 08 APR 1877 Krogenas, Arendal, Aust-Agder, Norway, death 27 MAR 1956 Krogenas, Arendal, Aust-Agder, Norway, spouse Jorgen Andersen
Daniel, birth 14 JUN 1879 Krogenas, Arendal, Aust-Agder, Norway
Anna and Martha not found
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hjemmet
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 17:46:04
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Dear Einar and Tami,
Thank you so very much for giving me this help with my grandmother's line. Now I have birth order! And so much more. I apologise for not entering the search myself, have been really tied up with MIL in Alzheimers ward and moving son from college dorm. Both rather exhausting. My current lack of involvement does NOT reflect my lack of interest!
And thanks once again to Hopkins for more specific sources. How long does one have to be doing this to be as adept as the five-star members! Tami, you have caught the fever, too, eh? I am hopelessly addicted. (Just ask my husband!)
Anna is shown on ship manifest in 1903 coming to visit sister Bertha Krogenas. She married Lars Hem who arrived a few months later and she never worked, had grand mal epilepsy. I suppose that is why she didn't get into the SSDI, no employment history.
Another mystery solved, too. Gina must have been interviewed twice when she debarked at Port of NY from the SS Bergensfjord on 18 June 1916. at age 70. One entry on the ship manifest, line 5, names Gina Kroegenas and reports she is going to join ..."son, Daniel Krogenas... in Brooklyn", then she appears again on line 13 SAME MANIFEST where the transcript misspells her name as Gina F. "Kiogenes" reporting she came to visit "son-in-law, Joergen Andersen Kroegenes per Arendal". That one had mystified me, and NOW it's clear that she was visiting daughter, Gustava, and her husband who must have also came from Kroegenes! Indeed, my Kroegenaes Farms "Land Register" excerpt has an Andersen (Jens). Gustava falls in love with a neighbor, hmm? My cousin, Marit Andersen, has sent me a photo of all the 8 children as adults, with Lars and Gina. Those twins, Bertha and Gustava were just beautiful. All very fine looking people. I do wonder when the photo was taken, certainly before 1909 when Christen died. Probably quite a few years before.
Well thanks again. Much more work to do entering specifics and sources in my tree. It's a good feeling to know that when I'm done, the next generation will not have to wonder the way I have for sixty=three years about my antecedents in Norway.
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