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jwiborg
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Posted - 01/05/2007 :  17:29:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think you're mixing up the people here...
Anne Oline Jakobsdr lives with her new husband Kristian Stenersen in 1900.

Her daughter Anne Kristine Isaksdr is listed with her two sons Anders Marcus & Ingvald Otto in census-1900, but she has never been married.

I'm not sure if Anne Kristine is related somehow to the other people living on the Oden Reinsfjel farm. It could just be that the housefather had some spare rooms, and rented them out. There is one other female supported by the relief fund living there as well..., maybe just a good income for the head of the household...

Jan Peter

Edited by - jwiborg on 01/05/2007 18:04:49
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eibache
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Posted - 02/05/2007 :  00:00:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am sorry if I have mixed up people - the situation is:

Wanda said she has a lot of info of her great grandfather, Anders Isaksen. Still I took the liberty to post info from his confirmation record #8 here
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=826&idx_id=826&uid=ny&idx_side=-319

I also found the death record of his father as noted above. From the info in these two records I used my simple algebra to arrive at the conclusion that Ane Oline must have been 5 month pregnant when her husband died - am I wrong?

Just to complete the info on Anne Kristine:
her confirmation record is #15 here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=826&idx_id=826&uid=ny&idx_side=-298.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 02/05/2007 00:03:44
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jwiborg
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Posted - 02/05/2007 :  00:24:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, I think you're wrong. And the mistake is that you used algebra for this calculation, instead of simple subtraction and addition...

Joking apart, you have the wrong birthyear for Anders Theodor. You have him born born Sept 16 1864.

The correct date is Sept 16 1863. So Anders Theodor would have been about 8 months old when his father died on May 23 1864.

Jan Peter
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Lislcat
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USA
690 Posts

Posted - 02/05/2007 :  01:55:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So it does take a rocket scientist to research genealogy. Cool!

Yes, I did goof up with the two Anne's and then went back and edited it. I had hoped I had done it, before someone noticed, but you're just too quick. I was in a hurry this morning, but wanted to respond to what you both had found. I was so quick that I mixed up my Anne's. One too many Anne's, I guess.

Thanks again for all the help. I didn't have Anders Isaksen's confirmation record before, so thank you for that.

Wanda

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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 02/05/2007 :  06:44:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am truly sorry - Suppose I have to rely on the baptism record for Anders Theodore, I did not look it up to confirm the info in the confirmation record - now I have done that!
#74 here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=814&idx_id=814&uid=ny&idx_side=-46

Why both the year and the month for baptism is wrong is difficult to say. Good that this has been clarified.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 02/05/2007 19:56:10
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Lislcat
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Posted - 02/05/2007 :  15:42:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Einar,

Thanks for the help. I'm a little confused. What is it that I'm suppose to see in this last link at #74? It takes me to 1866 and I have it that he was christened October 25, 1863 in Holt. I'm sure it's my fault, but if you could explain it to me, I'd appreciate it.

I am interested in information that you find on Anders also, just wanted to focus on Anne Kirstine for this post. Now I understand that I couldn't find anything on her, because I thought her name was Teresie. I have pictures of Anders or Andrew, as he was known when he came to the US. He lived a fairly long life and died in 1950. He died many years before I was born, but he always told people that he was from the Risør area, but he didn't talk much about the family that he left behind, because it was a difficult time. Thanks for helping me make that connection.

Wanda

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Lislcat
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Posted - 02/05/2007 :  18:58:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think I found Anne Oline's marriage record to Kristian Stenersen. www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=378&uid=11636&urnread_imagesize=gigant&hode=nei&ls=1 #12

Can someone tell me if this is them and what it says? Thanks for the help.

Wanda

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Lislcat
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Posted - 02/05/2007 :  19:23:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think I'm on a roll, because I just found the birth record for Anne Oline's and Kristian Stenersen's first daughter, Martha Kristine and I believe it lists Anne Kirstine Isaksdatter as one of the godparents.

www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=203&uid=11975&urnread_imagesize=full&hode=nei&ls=1

Wanda

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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 02/05/2007 :  20:02:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I do not know what happened - the right record is now in there.

Einar
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Lislcat
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Posted - 02/05/2007 :  20:28:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Einar!

I really appreciate having the confirmation record.

Wanda

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eibache
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Posted - 03/05/2007 :  20:30:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I guess you found the marriage between bachelor and worker Ole Kristian Stenersen, and widow Anne Oline Jakobsdatter Ausland as #12 here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=826&idx_id=826&uid=ny&idx_side=-379
Ole Kristian lived at Torvestad and Anne Oline at Ausland. Ole Kristians father was Stener Kittelsen, Risøen and Anne Olines father was Jakob Larsen, Ausland. Best men were Anne Olines father and Peder Thorsen, Ausland ( either the father or the son of the man that baptized Marthe Kristine at home)

Marthe Kristine #64 here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=826&idx_id=826&uid=ny&idx_side=-203
she was baptized at home on June 1 1879 by Thor Pedersen Ausland. The fifth godfather is Anne Kirstine Isaksdr.

You probably also found Anna Kakobine #21 (under "kvindekjøn" - female) here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5110&idx_id=5110&uid=ny&idx_side=-85 note the godfathers Anne Oline and Anders,

and Amanda Kristiane #48 here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5110&idx_id=5110&uid=ny&idx_side=-101
Kristian is a stonemason and anders is again a godfather,

and Sina Amalie, actually baptizes Stine Amalie, #26 here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5110&idx_id=5110&uid=ny&idx_side=-121

and finaly Jakob Severin #51 here http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5109&idx_id=5109&uid=ny&idx_side=-26

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 03/05/2007 20:35:44
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Lislcat
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Posted - 03/05/2007 :  22:48:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Einar.

I only had about half of that. You find things 10 times faster than I do.

I found two things about Anne Oline's brother that I'd like you to look at and tell me if they are about the same person. There is a spelling error on one, I think, and the other uses the farm name for his last name.
Here is the Søndeled parish record of Anders Theodore Isaksen's emigration.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5110&uid=ny&idx_side=-281
and here is the Emigranter fra Kristiansand
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=25&filnamn=KRISTUT&gardpostnr=14807&merk=14807#ovre

I believe they are both him, but just want someone else's opinion.

Thanks again, Wanda

Lislcat
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Lislcat
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Posted - 03/05/2007 :  23:01:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Even the Søndeled parish records couldn't keep the Anne's straight. They have Anne Oline Jakobsdatter as the mother of Anna Jacobine and they also list her as the godmother. It should be Anne Kirstine as the godmother.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that has problems keeping them straight and then Anne Oline has to go and add an Anna to the family. I know I'll get them mixed up again.

Wanda

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Lislcat
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Posted - 04/05/2007 :  04:13:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just realized something that is very interesting. On Jakob Severin's baptimal record, two of his godparents are related to me, but not to them at that point. Anders Theodor Isaksen married Halvine Gregersdatter of Haukedal, but not until after both emigrated. I believe that Ole is Halvine's brother and I'll have to look at my records, but Kirstin Halvorsdatter would be Halvine's aunt, I believe. Anyway, I know she's related to me.

I knew that they were both from the same area, but didn't realize that they were friends. Now I'm starting to wonder if Anders and Ole planned to go to the same area. Why would they have settled within 2 miles of each other? Ole came over with his family and then went back for his mother and sister. Anders had no family, so would of spent all of his extra time with Ole and his family. When Ole's sister Halvine was old enough, Anders married her.

Thanks again, for giving me this link.
Wanda

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eibache
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Posted - 04/05/2007 :  07:18:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is no doubt that the emigration record is "your" Anders - quite common to use the farm name as the family name - using "J" for Isaksen could be done in the translation (the handwritten letters are or could be read the same).

No question for the parish record either - in the far right column the notes are about the records he brought with him when he emigrated - f. (born) Sept 16, d. Baptized) Sept 25, konf. /confirmed) Sept 28 1879.

Einar
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