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Arden Anderson
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 Posted - 04/05/2007 : 03:23:52
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My Grandfather's sister, Syverina Amundsdatter Simansen, died in a hospital in New York City. The Ships Passenger List shows her in the hospital when the SS Cedric landed in New York on May 17, 1903. At the end of the passenger list is a "Record of Aliens held for Special Inquiry". In the column "Cause of Detention" it says "L.P.C. w. + ch in Hosp." Family history says she died in childbirth.
How can I get a death certificate for her? What hospital did immigrants go to and where were they buried. This is before they entered the US.
Thanks.
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Jo Anne Sadler
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 17:53:00
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This is an interesting problem. The passenger list indicates they were all admitted to the hospital on May 18 and admitted to the U.S. on May 28, no mention of any deaths. Previously on this forum, someone posted the codes for these passenger lists, maybe they will see this and repost them. The passenger list stated they were all in good health.
In 1903, they would have been processed for immigration at the Ellis Island Immigration Center and they had their own hospital. The whole purpose of having immigrations centers on islands was that they could contain undesirables, people who were rejected because they could not take care of themselves, sick people, etc. I do not believe that she would have been sent to the mainland for treatment.
Even if she died in the hospital on Ellis Island there would have been a death certificate or at least a burial permit.
If she died in one of the five boroughs of New York, she would be listed in this excellent index but I could not locate her:
http://www.germangenealogygroup.com/NYCDEATH.stm
Here is where to order a death certificate from the Municipal Archives of New York but you have to know where and when she died:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/home.shtml
The only cemeteries in Manhattan are colonial cemeteries. New York City, very early on, due to lack of space, started burying people in Queens or King county.
Only people whose final destination was New York were allowed to disembark in New York City, the rest of the people were sent by transfer boats to the docks of New Jersey where the train stations would take them to their final destinations. Kristian & Syverine's final destination was to her brother's in Duluth, Minnesota so they would have not been allowed to even go into New York City.
Have you found Kristian and Agnes Marie in later records, census, etc? |
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Arden Anderson
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 18:17:35
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Jo Anne,
Thanks for the information. Yes, I have found them, Kristian and Agnes Marie Simansen on the 1910 Census for St. Louis County, Minnesota. Haven't found anything else. I have a photo of Agnes Marie as a child.
I will look into the information that you gave me.
Thanks again, it's very helpful.
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Brining
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/05/2007 : 04:29:53
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LPC means Likely Public Charge. A defination from The Ship's List website
"LPC, stands for "Likely Public Charge." The LPC exclusion was introduced to US immigration law in 1891 and was the most common cause of detention and grounds for exclusion/deportation. Immigrants were most likely considered a likely public charge if they had little money AND no family, friends, or prospects, OR if they were disabled in some way that would prevent them from earning their own living. The majority of LPC exclusions were overcome during the Special Inquiry process, usually when friends, family, or some Immigrant Aid organization came and vouched for the person or posted a bond for them.
I am guessing that w. + ch in Hosp. means wife and children in Hospital.
If you type "cause of detention" ellis island in a google search you will get quite a few sites that are informative.
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Arden Anderson
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 19:45:48
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Thank you for the information.
My guess is that Kristian didn't have money to pay any hospital bills or burial expenses and therefore he was detained until my grandfather could send him money. Only a guess.
So far, I haven't found a death certificate but I'm still looking.
Thanks again.
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Hospital in New York
