I am struggling here and need a bit of help. I am looking for information on the above ship which was a Norwegian ship previous to 1881 out of Moss. I know that my great grandfather was on board this ship between April 1880 and 14 months thereafter and the ship sailed between Quebec and Liverpool in this period. I would like to know whereabouts this ship would have been in the 1881 census for either Canada or England and if it was crossing the Alantic would this ship be include in either census. Next thing I would like to know is where it would have been when my great grandfather left the ship in about June of 1881. Could someone please suggest where I might be able to look for the information I seek. I've run out of ideas. Thank you all for your time.
Why should that ship have been in either 1881 census for Canada or England? It was then a Norwegian owned ship and shouldn't be counted in a Canadian or English census unless they had rules about enumerating ships docked in port on the effective date of the census. You'd have to check with experts on those censuses.
If your ancestor was a crew member you should study the article " Maritime inscription - registers of seamen".
I believe if it was in port in England it was included in any census irrespective of where the ship came from as I have yet another ancestor on board a ship in Hull Harbour and he was included in the census and it was also a Norwegian Ship but I can be wrong.
I am sorry I did not realise that I had already asked about this ship but I now have a bit more information. Sorry Again. I will be more careful next time.
In 1881 the Norwegian bark Golden Horn mastered by Axel Teilman arrived Quebec May 23. She arrived Liverpool on July 18 from a place given to be "3 Rivers", I don't know where that might be. She departed Liverpool August 4 for Betsimis. To find information like this you need to read through old newspapers where you will find marine intelligence telegrams, a very time consuming activity.
I am up for time consuming. According to records in Norway he left the ship in about June of 1881. I am not so sure I wanted to know that he may have been in Canada as I know nothing of searching in Canada and the time period from the time he arrived in Australia about 1884 is a long time to find his wheareabouts in Canada or maybe even America without much census informajson to go on. Having said that mange takk Børge for your advice. Once igjen it has been invaluable. Where would I be likely to find these newspapers? mvh Kerrie
I don't actually have the documents infront of me but have been told this is so. He boarded the ship in Norway in April 1880 and set sail for Quebec he was on board for 14 months and that was all that was found about him in Statarkivet. Seeing as though it was around census time it was a shot in the dark that he may have been on the vessel or staying near the port at census time in England it was April 4 and Canada April 5 or virsa versa. I have found you have to play hunches. I am not 100% sure but that is all I have at present to work on until I can prove different. Kerrie
If the information you have is correct, then he must have left the ship during the stay in Canada, or maybe during the stay in Liverpool. If he jumped ship, chances are great that he would have joined another ship (for better payment), and did not stay for long. The new ship would most likely not have been a Norwegian ship. It was considered illegal to jump ship, and he might have tried to cover up his track.
Tusen takk igjen Børge. Maybe I should stick to the theory that he swam to Australia. I am only kidding. One god ting I am getting him closer to Australia. The family story says he jumped ship but they belived that he did that in Australia so it may well have been in either Canada or England that he referred. Hopefully I will get another lead on him and his travels before he arrived in Australia. It sort of makes me feel a bit better knowing that he was well travelled and decided to settle in Australia even if he may well have felt trapped. Takk igjen your hjelp og knowledge is invaluable Børge. mvh Kerrie
Goldern Horn 1880 - 1881
Posted - 27/05/2007 : 14:44:24
