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Berta
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Jo Anne Sadler
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 Posted - 03/07/2007 : 01:08:13
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| At the top of the column, it says "No. on List. This is a 92 page passenger lists so it was a very large carrier. |
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Berta
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 09:15:15
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Hello JoAnne.
If you can see the manifest, then Anna is No. 14. But in front of "14" there is scribbled the number "1122". This is the number I am wondering about.
In front of other passengeres "No,. on list" there are also numbers. ( Although not all of them).
Do you have any idea of what these number mean?
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Jo Anne Sadler
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 19:07:03
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This is just the numbering system the poor clerk who had to compile the list for the Captain to sign off on when it was submitted it to the Customs Authority. With a 92-page passenger list I am sure the clerk had his own way of keeping his list organized. It could have been her cabin number, whatever.
The ships had to submit very accurate lists to prevent delays in the immigration process, they were fined $10. per name for errors.
Have you looked at the information on this site for the Saxonia built 1899 with a picture? It had a capacity of 1960 passengers and excellent third class accommodations. If she traveled by third class, Anna would have shared a 2, 4 or 6 berth cabin.
She would have been processed for immigration at the Boston Immigrant Landing Station established in 1904.
http://www.steamships.org/maritime/ports/boston/port_of_boston.html
If she had had any problems, then she would not have been cleared for entry into the U.S. There were other standardized codes used for a problem situation, ie:
LPC - Likely Public Charge
She was going on to New York; the codes could have been for the handling of the baggage.
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Berta
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 21:36:02
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Thank you Jo Anne for the historical information. It was very helpful!
I have heard (unsure of where I heard it) that some numbers on the manifest could refer to later naturalisation records. Is this true?
If an alien had been arrested and convicted for a crime, would this in any way been present in the travel documents?
I can see a "box" on the manifest concering this, but I can not read the whole text.
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Jo Anne Sadler
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 22:38:48
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There is no way that a later naturalization would appear on these records, they are a one time Customs document. How would someone come back to the government, get access to the records stored in warehouses and ask that the records be altered to reflect later happenings. And what would be the purpose? There are alot of "stories/rumors" about immigration that you have to take with a grain of salt.
I recommend you do some research and read articles immigration procedures and processing. People had to get different permissions to leave their country and come over here and swear under oath to various situations, health, criminal/political things. In Norway, one had to get a paper from their local parish minister attesting, among other things, that they are not leaving any debts or dependent children or are insane or a convict; a military release for young men and then register with the local police to get their final permission to leave. A shipship company would not release a ticket unless all the proper documents were presented to them.
Not everyone was accepted for entry into the U.S., that is why most immigration stations were located on islands or other isolated places. If someone was rejected, the steamship company was under obligation to take them back to the originating port so the shipping lines were very careful about making sure everyone's papers (and health) were in order. |
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Berta
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Posted - 09/07/2007 : 23:43:09
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Thank you once again, Jo Anne for you very informative answers.
Then I was wrong abt. the numbers on the immigrationrecord. Maybe I confused it with several "numbers" on Census-records. There it also sometimes is some "numbers. But perhaps the "numbers" there also mean something else.
But I think I have gotten answer to my question. Thank you!
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