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angequinn
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 Posted - 13/07/2007 : 03:25:27
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I am looking for information on any Howicks in Norway. I am particularly interested in info on my great-grandfather Iver E. Howick born in Voss, Norway 10/17/1876 and died in Thief River Falls, Minnesota (USA) 12/11/1926. He immigrated from to the USA from Norway in 1892.
I believe Howick is Scottish, but at some point in time some Howicks ended up in Norway. Any info or help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank y ou.
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Jo Anne Sadler
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Posted - 13/07/2007 : 06:47:56
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Have you obtained his death certificate? What were his parents names? The 1920 census say he immigrated in 1896.
Have you obtained his marriage record, that should could some more clues, per the census he married in 1912.
His World War I draft registration states he was born on October 17, 1874. |
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Jo Anne Sadler
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Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/07/2007 : 07:50:10
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This seems to be Iver's mother, Synneva, age 19, in the 1865 census at the Høvik farm:
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Jo Anne Sadler
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angequinn
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Posted - 19/08/2007 : 01:13:29
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Thank you for the information. I am very impressed at how much info you were able to provide.
How can one be sure this is the same Iver? Everything I've ever been told is that at some point in time a Scottish Howick moved to Norway and married a Norwegian, thus Norwegian descendents. These dates are similar, but different than all of the documents I've seen, i.e. census records, immigration docs, obitituaries, etc. I will request his death certificate and hopefully find out his parents names. Is there a way to verify the information? It's possible the name changed, but how would I know for sure?
Also, any recommendations on overcoming language blocks. I am not able to translate the Norwegian.
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Lislcat
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Posted - 19/08/2007 : 05:52:53
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Hi Angela,
Jo Anne has given you a lot of good information, but I think the next step is definitely to confirm it with a death certificate and marriage record, like she suggests. If you're lucky, that will give you Iver's parents. Do you have an obit and have you look at church records? Any of these items may give you the connection that you need, especially when you're questioning the differences in dates.
Good luck, Wanda |
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eibache
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Posted - 19/08/2007 : 10:16:48
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I am pretty sure that Jo Anne found the right Iver Howick. It was quite common that the farm name was used as a last name - in this case it is actually written Høvik. He did come from Voss when he emmigrated, but he was born in Hosanger - there is no farm by the name Høvik in Voss.
The interesting fact is that his birth date Oct 17 is stated correct even when the years vary from 1871 to 1876 - looking at the parish records - only in 1871 is there an Ivar with birth date Oct 17.
One more aspect needs to be considered - the "E" as a middel initial. In the emmigration record Ivar comes from the farm Øfstedal - this farm is found in the Evanger parish - the "E" could well have been taken frokm this parish. |
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Trond
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Posted - 19/08/2007 : 16:07:30
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| According to the book Ulvestad, Nordmænd in Amerika, Howick, Iver E. emigrated from Haavik, Voss 1896. Co owner of Oen Mercantile Co. in Thief River Falls, Minn. since 1908 |
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angequinn
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Posted - 19/08/2007 : 23:36:45
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Thank you all for the input.
Iver did work for Oen Mercantile in Thief River Falls, MN. He worked there in 1908 and later went into business for himself.
I have requested his death certificate in hopes that it will tell me his parents name. This info tears apart the family myth involving Scottland. Looks like he was 100% Norwegian.
What would have been the purpose in saying that he was born Oct. 17, 1874 instead of 1871? Were there age requirements in traveling to America alone? His obituary and all census records show the 1874 date. I am also wondering why he would have gone by Iver Hovik versus Iver Iverson. Any thoughts?
Also, it looks like he traveled to America alone coming from Bergen. Does anyone know how to find out where he entered the US? (Canada, NY?) I know that he came here as an indentured servant and went to SD. At some point in time, he married and had 1 daughter, but have not been able to find any marriage records. I think he married his 1st wife after coming to the US so the possible mystery married years would be 1896-1906. He lived in MN after 1906, marrying my great-grandma in 1910.
Any help on tracking down the mystery marriage would be much appreciated. Thank you for all the help thus far. |
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angequinn
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Posted - 19/08/2007 : 23:41:30
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PS- Thanks for the link to the book that was neat to see.
Also, Iver's middle initial stands for Edvin. I assumed it must have been a family name because he and my great-grandma named my great uncle Morris Edvin Howick.
In regards to the mystery marriage, new family rumor suggests Iver's first marriage ended in a scandelous divorce. Any thoughts on how to track divorce documents? This could be just a rumor, though. we had been previously told the first wife died. |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 20/08/2007 : 04:38:19
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Angela,
I found a Iver E. Howick in Highland, Day County, South Dakota in the 1900 US census. He is listed as a servant working for Oluf and Anna Amundson. Iver's age is listed as 25, with a birth year of 1874. He is listed as being single, so I don't see a mystery wife. It also states that he is a farm laborer and immigrated in 1896, so that matches what Jo Anne told you. I found this on Ancestry.com.
Good luck! Wanda |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 20/08/2007 : 04:42:29
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One more thing. The Amundson's had three daughters and two of them would of been old enough to get married. You might want to check on a connection with Nellie or Bertha Amundson, if you are looking for a possible wife. Marrying the bosses daughter could of been disasterous. Just an idea.
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Lislcat
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Posted - 20/08/2007 : 04:51:02
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In the 1905 Minnesota State Census Iver E. Howick is listed as living in Marshall County. It states that he's a farmer and that he's lived in the state and that enumeration area for 1 year, so that would put him in Minnesota in 1904, since the census was taken June 29th, 1905. He doesn't have a wife living with him. His age is listed as 31 and he was born in Norway.
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angequinn
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Posted - 25/09/2007 : 20:46:27
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2776 16 Magne Knuts. logerende lever af sine Penge ug 80 m Hosanger
(From census link)
Could this be a brother to Iver Knutson? What is the translation?
Takk! |
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