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Ottar
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 Posted - 10/10/2007 : 23:38:56
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Census-1865
Christopher Kristoffersen, born 25 OCT 1835.
So eibache have the correct girl in #40 above, Elen Marie is born 16-Feb-1854, christened in Sør-Odal on 12-Mar. Her father is Edvard Olsen Berg
Jan Peter
Do you think that Les and Carla is on the track with John , Elen, Christina, John(2), Henry, Elly, Arnold. Even if their dates dont match 100%.??????
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jwiborg
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Posted - 10/10/2007 : 23:58:01
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No, I don't think so. This was a different Elen with a girl named Christine..., the Momb track looks to be wrong,.. 
I believe eibache found your Kristine born in Nord-Odal on 16-Jan-1882, christened 05-Feb-1882.
Parents: Married couple Gustav Johannessen b. 1858 and wife Elen Marie Kristoffersdatter b. 1853.
Farm: Kjensli under Rud.
Gustav Johannessen Kjernslie went to America on 21.03.1883.
He is listed as married. So was Elen when she emigrated about a year later.
But..., looking at Gustav and Elens marriage record... Elen's father is listed as Kristoffer Pedersen, and she is listed as born on Breiby, Nord-Odal... This is confusing! 
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Edited by - jwiborg on 11/10/2007 00:12:51 |
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eibache
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 09:44:49
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Gustav Johannesen were confirmed 1874, see #42 his parents were Johannes Gustavsen and Petronille Pedersdatter. His birth record is #94.
Gustavs parents married in 1856, see #37
Johannes was born in Sweden and his father was Jan Skårerson.
Petronella was born Febr 13 1836 see #10 she was an "uægte" child her mother was Johanne Hansdatter and the father was Peder Pedersen, Tronserud. |
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Edited by - eibache on 11/10/2007 10:25:13 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 10:22:00
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I believe the Gustav Johannessen Kjenslie track is wrong as well... Gustav did marry a girl named Elen Marie Kristoffersdatter, but that Elen is born in Nord-Odal on 18 DEC 1853 by parents Christopher Pedersen & Kari Larsdr.
The Elen Marie we are looking for is born 16-Feb-1854, christened in Sør-Odal on 12-Mar-1854, with parents Edvard Olsen Berg & Eli Christophersdr Melby...
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eibache
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 10:34:11
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Originally posted by eibache
Since there were no marriage we have to rely on the year of birth given for Elen, here she is as #13 her father was Knud Halworsen so she should be Elen Knudsdatter. She is also in the 1865 census here
It is not certain that this Elen is the right one.
I believe #40 here might also be a choice. Her father being Edvard Olsen we find her in the 1865 census here
So we are back to the last line here then. |
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Edited by - eibache on 11/10/2007 10:35:00 |
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eibache
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 12:27:02
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I am afraid it is neccesary to go back to square one - Ottar asked about the sister of his grandfather (who could be Kristofer Kristofers. no 621 in the 1865 census and 32 years old . Kristoffer had a sister Eli Kristofersd. - no 622 in the census and 44 years old. Ottar says the sister should be Ellen Marie Kristoffersen and she had a daughter Kristina. Of course the Elen Marie born Febr 16 1854 could be the one Ottar is looking for but she is not the sister of Ottars grandfather - and it has proved to be difficult to find her daughter in the parish records.
I think Ottar has to do some rethinking of the relationship between his grandfather and Elen Marie. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 13:34:36
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I agree.
Ottar can not be looking for the sister of his grandfather, but the sister's daughter and grand-daughter.
His grandfather must be Christopher Kristoffersen Melby, born 25 OCT 1835.
Christopher's older sister was Eli Kristoffersdr Melby, born 10 OCT 1822 .
Their parents was Christopher Christophersen & Marte Monsdr.
This Eli Kristoffersdr Melby had a girl named Elen Marie, born 16-Feb-1854, christened in Sør-Odal on 12-Mar. Her father was Edvard Olsen Berg.
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Ottar
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Posted - 12/10/2007 : 19:26:33
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Originally posted by jwiborg
I agree.
Ottar can not be looking for the sister of his grandfather, but the sister's daughter and grand-daughter.
His grandfather must be Christopher Kristoffersen Melby, born 25 OCT 1835.
Christopher's older sister was Eli Kristoffersdr Melby, born 10 OCT 1822 .
Their parents was Christopher Christophersen & Marte Monsdr.
This Eli Kristoffersdr Melby had a girl named Elen Marie, born 16-Feb-1854, christened in Sør-Odal on 12-Mar. Her father was Edvard Olsen Berg.
Jan Peter
YOU ARE RIGHT....
I had mistaken the form of relationship.. I see now that Elen was the dauther of my grandfather`s sister (Eli). This was maybe logic to me because the year of birth, ---- that Elen was Kristoffers sister. You have all been very helpful to me.
BUT......Question reamains... I think that Elen Marie and Kristina who immigrated in 1884 to (Trance, Frrazze, Frazee) is the Elen and Kristina I am locking for.
They left Oslo (Kristiania) with the ship Marsdin. This ship went for Hull. Then they must have taken another ship for U.S.
This is exiting...and interesting.
Ottar
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Ellen Marie Kristoffersen + daughter Kristina.
