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wfstudio
New on board
USA
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 Posted - 27/10/2007 : 22:12:22
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I've been attempting to locate some information on my great grandfather and great grandmother who were both born in Norway and emigrated to the US (date unknown).
Ingwald Simpson
b. 1879 in Norway
d. 1927 in Concord, MA
Martha Nelson
b. 1879 in Norway
d. 25 Jun 1951 in Concord, MA
Martha had 3 brothers (Claude b. 1882, Nick b. 1886 and Martin b. 1892).
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Arthur Floyde |
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torrustad
Junior member
Norway
61 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2007 : 00:28:06
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Arthur;
I had a brief look for them in US Census 1920:
Name: Ingwald Simpson
Home in 1920: Concord, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Age: 41 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Martha
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1891
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 1181
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ingwald Simpson 41
Martha Simpson 41
Nora Simpson 16
George E Simpson 5/12
Martin W Nelson 27
Might be a blind shot, but look here:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=125715&merk=125715#ovre
Notice the ticket was Ppd(prepaid)
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torrustad
Junior member
Norway
61 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2007 : 00:39:22
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A little confusing, here he is in 1910, the imigr. year ios notes as 1884:
Name: Fingwald Simpson
Age in 1910: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Spouse's name: Martha
Home in 1910: Concord Precinct 2, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1884
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Fingwald Simpson 32
Martha Simpson 31
Nora Simpson 6
Martin Nelson 18
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wfstudio
New on board
USA
3 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2007 : 02:44:47
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Thank you very, very much!
I noticed the spelling of Ingwald Simpson is much different (Ingvald Simens).
Thank you again for your help,
Arthur Floyde |
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torrustad
Junior member
Norway
61 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2007 : 10:31:57
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Spelling: In Norway we don't use the letter "W", and Simpson isn't a Norwegian surname at all. If you search at this web page or at GOOGLE you'll find a lot about naming traditions in Norway and how the names was changed in the USA. I can try to search more for this Ingvald I found. I'll also try other look ups in the US to confirm imigr. date.
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torrustad
Junior member
Norway
61 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2007 : 10:55:45
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I found him in US Census 1900 too:
1900 United States Federal Census
about Ingvald Simmerson
Name: Ingvald Simmerson
Home in 1900: Acton, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Birthplace: Norway
Relationship to head-of-house: Servant
Race: White
Occupation: View image
Immigration Year: 1892
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Meckklesus 43
Martha Meckklesus 39
Henry Meckklesus 11
Ada M Meckklesus 8
Ingvald Simmerson 34
This Census has noted imigration year as 1892, so it looks like it had to be about that time.
The image is hard to read. Could you or someone else open it and see if you can read his birth year and month? If we have that info it's easier to find the right Ingvald in Norway.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2007 : 11:56:08
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I'm most interested in the emigration record from the port of Oslo/Kristinia. That record lists Ingvald Simens(en) as having previously resided in Norderhov (in Buskerud) and most likely born 1877.
In the Norderhov parish records of 1877 - Ingvald born 28 March 1877 to Simen Hansen and wife Mathea Halvorsdtr -
Norderhov baptism 1877
The date numbers inserted just below the parents names MIGHT be reference to their own births and perhaps the third indicates their year of marriage? Yes, a marriage entry in Norderhov, Buskerud -
Norderhov marriage 1876
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wfstudio
New on board
USA
3 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2007 : 13:17:26
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| Thank you very much for all the information you've provided. I am not proficient in the Norwegian language or the naming traditions. Would you have any additional information on Simen Hansen and wife Mathea Halvorsdtr and if Ingvald had any brothers and/or sisters? |
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torrustad
Junior member
Norway
61 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2007 : 13:51:21
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Fine Hopkins!
I have put a message on a Norwegian web page hoping someone can do a look up at NOrderhov "Bygdebooks".
And I'll keep on looking for other Ingvald S. as emigrants. |
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torrustad
Junior member
Norway
61 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2007 : 15:08:48
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looking at the 1900 image the bit\rth month can be March, but I can't read the year.
Hopkins; will you please take a look too??
Arhur; if you go to a library you may get a paper copy or a microfilm with a better quality than the image.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2007 : 17:09:33
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I did already look at that page of the 1900 US census. The scanned copy is illegible, but the final letter of the month MIGHT be an "r"? So no, I can't help you with that.
I agree that it is possible that an original or microfilm copy MIGHT have captured a better image. It sure couldn't be much worse. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 28/10/2007 : 17:25:12
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Arthur -
I don't speak Norwegian either - don't let that stop you.
There is lots of information online to help you with your understanding of the Norwegian naming patterns/traditions.
Those Norwegian names (this website)
Norwegian naming practices (by Follesdal)
Norwegian Naming Practices (by Oldevoll)
Norwegian Naming Patterns (by Borgos)
I have no further information about the parents and/or siblings of the baptised child that I earlier gave links to. I'm sure additional information is available to you - but you can learn how to find it. There are also many online articles about reading and using the Norwegian source records.
You can study about how-to use the Norwegian church/parish records in this article.
Ancestors From Norway - Parish records
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html
That wonderful article was written about 2002 and since that time scanned copies of many of the Norwegian parish records have been put online. All the advice in the article about how to use them, including translations of the column headings of Norwegian Parish records, is still as valid and useful with the online scanned copies.
The Digitalarkivet web site has been adding scanned images of the original Norwegian parish church records for anyone with Internet access since November 2005. They are planning that this project of adding the records may be finished by the end of the year 2007. More records are added every week.
The Digitalarkivet web site - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar
An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage.
The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage.
After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmål (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English.
Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version].
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Lislcat
Advanced member
USA
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Posted - 29/10/2007 : 03:47:24
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Hi All,
I just looked at the 1900 Census and I believe it says "Mch" for the birth month. If you look at the rest of the page, the census taker uses Mch for March, instead of Mar. A bit unusual, but their own method, I guess. Over 10 years difference in age is interesting.
Also worth mentioning, in the 1910 Census, it lists "Fingwald" and Martha as being married 7 years, so you know that their wedding took place abt 1903.
Good luck. Wanda
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torrustad
Junior member
Norway
61 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2007 : 10:38:38
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Wanda;
Yes; i also think I can read "Mch"! I'm not so familar to the English language so when i read it first time I didn't think about that possiblity at all.
Still no prooof - but maybe a little closer.
Another info: I haven't found any "better" Ingvald S. emigrating Norway! |
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torrustad
Junior member
Norway
61 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2007 : 10:55:57
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Getting closer!!
Look here:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Inguald Simpson
Name: Inguald Simpson
City: Woburn
County: Middlesex
State: Massachusetts
Birth Date: 28 Mar 1878
Race: White
Roll: 1684685
DraftBoard: 29
The date of birth is noted as 28 Mar 18878 at the image too.
Ingvald Simensen from Norderhov, Norway was born 28 Mar 1877 (scanned image from Church Records)
Did'nt he know his year of birth? Was it noted wrong at the WW1 card? Or is it "wrong man"??
Arthur: Get his Deatrh Certificate and have a look at the noted birth date!
By the way: Arriving Boston:
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
about Yengarl Simenson
Name: Yengarl Simenson
Arrival Date: 22 Aug 1892
Age: 15 Years
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Samaria
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Last Residence: Sweden
Microfilm Roll Number: 3
NOTICE: Last residence Sweden IS WRONG: "My" Ingvald left the port of Oslo on August 5th 1892.. Also notice his age is noted (at the image too) 15 years. (1877)
I am 100% sure Ingvald leaving Oslo = "Yengarl" arriving Boston.
I am 99 % sure Ingvald Simensen=Ingwald Simpson. |
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torrustad
Junior member
Norway
61 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2007 : 12:28:43
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They had more children than you hav e written , look at the Census 1910 og 1920.
Here is Census 1930, a son George was born soon after Census 1920 was taken.
1930 United States Federal Census
about Martha Simpson
Name: Martha Simpson
Home in 1930: Concord, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race: White
Occupation:
Education:
Military Service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Martha Simpson 51
George G Simpson 10
Daniel S Wilson 50
Stanley E Wilson 10
William Kendall 28
Erling Knutzen 26
Odd Overgaard 30
Arthur Howard 50
Harold Howard 18
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Nelson/Simpson of Massachusetts
