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Erik Carsten
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 Posted - 27/07/2008 : 20:10:18
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Jackie.
We now know that Oluf was born in Jevnaker, Oppland and we now know who his father is. He is Kristoffer Olsen Solberg. This was THEE major objective.
Jan Peter has suggested he is the Kristoffer Olsen Solberg born in Eker in 1845. But we are not 100% certain. He has suggested a link to a Olava Olsdatter Solberg living in Eker in 1865, who was listed as a sponsor to Oluf's birth.
Jan Peter is probably right. But that would mean he was 15 years younger than Margit. In 1870, when Oluf was born, he was 25 and Margit was 40.
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according to Jan Peter, this same Kristoffer Olsen went on to marry and have several children and he lived a long life. According to our family history, the father of Oluf died about a year after his birth.
So far, our family history has been accurate and I have no reason to begin to doubt the family story, that the father of Oluf was a well known farmer in his community and he died soon after his birth. Did Margit lie? If so. Why?
Two of the witnesses to Oluf's birth were Gulbrand and Knut Haugeneie. I believe I have found this family.
Gulbrand was born in Eker, not far from where we believe Kristoffer's family was living on the Solberg farm, and where Margit was possibly living on the Hoen farm in the 1865 census.
Gulbrand and his wife had a daughter Karen in 1870....the same year Oluf was born...and one of the witnesses to her birth was this Edvard ?Dolengen?.
Edvard ?Dolengen? was also a witness to the birth of Oluf.
I would like to know Edvard's connection to either Margit of Kristoffer....and I am very interested to know why they went to Jevnaker....and why Margit and Kristoffer never married.
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/07/2008 : 02:12:56
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Hi,
Well here is one possiblity: there were two in the family with Christoffer as part of their name. Here is the info on Johan Christoffer Olsen b 18 Mar 1828, more Margaret's age..
Source information: Buskerud county, Eiker, Parish register (official) nr. I 12 (1827-1832), Birth and baptism records 1828, page 2.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1151&idx_id=1151&uid=ny&idx_side=-4
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051109020776.jpg
and his confirmation #2:
Source information: Buskerud county, Eiker, Parish register (official) nr. 13B (1840-1845), Confirmation records 1842, no page no.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5547&idx_id=5547&uid=ny&idx_side=-23
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060912080105.jpg
Hilsen,
Jackie M.
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Erik Carsten
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 05/08/2008 : 07:55:45
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Hi Erik,
Here's the Dølengen farm in 1865 (the only one found in that database is this one in Jevnaker.)
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f60532&gardpostnr=67&merk=67#ovre
Jackie M.
Hi Jackie.
O.K. This is pretty complicated so please try to stay with me on this one. I found the Thoso link and I'm wondering if it is significant.
1. Maria Larsdatter (borr in EKER) on the Dolengen farm had a daughter, Hanna born in 1862. One of the godparents was ?Erik? Thoso.
Link to Christian Solberg's home and birth of Hanna #60?
1865 CENSUS showing Hanna's family
District no. School distr. Local parish Parish Farm
67 1 Jevnakers faste Skoles Jevnakers Jevnaker Dølengen
Pers.no. New household Given name Last name Family pos. Occupation Marital status Age Sex Birth place Cattle Sheep Rye Barley Mixed grain Potatoes
387 1 1 Syver Hansen hf Husmand med Jord og Smed g 38 m Jevnaker 3 6 1/8 1 3/8 2
388 2 Marie Larsdatter Hans Kone g 36 k Nordrehaugs Pgd.
389 3 Johanne Syversdatter Deres Datter ug 14 k Jevnaker
390 4 Laura Syversdatter Deres Datter ug 10 k Jevnaker
391 5 Hanna Syversdatter Deres Datter ug 3 k Jevnaker
392 6 Hans Kristoffersen Deres Pleiesøn ug 15 m Jevnaker
393 7 1 Johanne Syversdatter Mandens Moder. Føderaadskone e 78 k Jevnaker
2. In 1865 CENSUS on one of the Thoso farms in Jevnaker, there lived and Edvard Olsen also born EKERS Pgd. I'm not sure what this Pgd stands for. This could be the Edvard Dolengen that was the godparent to Oluf in 1870 and to Karen Gulbrandsen also in 1870.
School distr. Local parish Parish Farm Landed property no. Remarks (farm)
83 1 Jevnakers faste Skoles Jevnakers Jevnaker Thoso 244a Ejes og bruges af Halvor Th. Vang
Pers.no. New household Given name Last name Family pos. Occupation Marital status Age Sex Birth place
488 1 1 Henrik Nilsen hf Husmand uden Jord g 30 m Lunder Annex
489 2 Johanne Andreasdatter Hans Kone g 30 k Jevnaker
490 3 Andrine Henriksdatter Deres Datter ug 3 k Jevnaker
491 4 Gustava Gustavsdatter ug 2 k Christiania
492 5 Edvard Olsen Inderst Husfader Agronom g 36 m Ekers Pgd.
493 6 Karen Andersdatter Hans Kone g 33 k Jevnaker
494 7 Marte Gulbrandsdatter Inderst hos Henrik Nilsen ug 34 k Jevnaker
3. Gulbrand Haugereie was also born in EKER as shown in 1865 Census District no. School distr. Local parish Parish Farm
87 1 Jevnakers faste Skoles Jevnakers Jevnaker Haugen
Pers.no. New household Given name Last name Family pos. Occupation Marital status Age Sex Birth place Cattle Sheep Pig Barley Mixed grain Peas Potatoes
518 1 1 Gulbrand Knudsen hf Husmand med Jord g 38 m Nordrehoug Pgd. 2 4 1 7/8 1/4 1/4 3
519 2 Marte Kristensdatter Hans Kone g 39 k Jevnaker
520 3 Kristian Gulbrandsen Deres Søn ug 13 m Jevnaker
521 4 Knud Gulbrandsen Deres Søn ug 10 m Jevnaker
522 5 Syver Gulbrandsen Deres Søn ug 9 m Jevnaker
523 6 Gustav Gulbrandsen Deres Søn ug 8 m Jevnaker
524 7 Nils Gulbrandsen Deres søn ug 6 m Jevnaker
525 8 Johanne Gulbrandsdatter Deres Datter ug 3 k Jevnaker
526 9 Mari Gulbrandsdatter Deres Datter ug 1 k Jevnaker
1865 CENSUS4. I think the Margit Mikkelsdatter born in Gol living in Houg, Eker on the Hoen Farm must be Olaf's mother.
Distriktsnr. Side Skuledistrikt Sokn Prestegjeld Gard Merknad (gard) Overskrift
556 7 152 Hoen Houg Eker Hoen 504g1, 505a1, 505a2, 505b, 505c, 505f 1
Personnr. Hushald Førenamn Etternamn Fam. stilling Yrke Sivilstand Alder Kjønn Fødestad Merknad (person) Hestar Stort kveg Får Kveite Rug Bygg Havre Erter Poteter
2352 1 1 Borger Christofers. Hoen Gaardbruger Selveier g 67 m Eker 3 10 5 2 1 1/2 2 16 3/8 18
2353 2 Anne Kirstine Olsd. hans Kone g 65 k Eker
2354 3 Carl Olaus. hjælper Bedstefaren ug 18 m Eker Servitut
2355 4 Mariane Borgersd. Deres Datter ug 40 k Eker
2356 5 Lars Christofers. Fattiglem ug 14 m Eker
2357 6 Gro Thomasd. Tjenestepige ug 33 k Tin
2358 7 Mariet Michalsd. Tjenestepige ug 36 k Gol
5. Finally, Olava Solberg, one of the Godparents to Olaf was also in Houg Eker on the Solberg Farm in 1865 Census....
Distriktsnr. Side Skuledistrikt Sokn Prestegjeld Gard Merknad (gard) Overskrift
654 8 165 Warlo Houg Eker Solberg 527a1 1
Personnr. Hushald Førenamn Etternamn Fam. stilling Yrke Sivilstand Alder Kjønn Fødestad Hestar Stort kveg Får Kveite Rug Bygg Havre Erter Poteter
2820 17 1 Johan Ols. Husfader Gaardbruger og Selveier ug 38 m Eker 1 5 5 1/4 1/4 1/4 3 3/16 6
2821 18 Maren Olsd. hans Søster bestyrer sin broders Husholdning ug 28 k Eker
2822 19 Olava Olsd. hans Søster bestyrer sin broders Husholdning ug 17 k Eker 2823 20 Tron Ols. hans Broder hjælper sin Broder med Gaardsbruget ug 24 m Eker
2824 21 Ole Kristoffers. hans Fader Føderaadsmand g 59 m Eker
2825 22 Berte Johnsd. hans Kone Føderaadskone g 60 k Eker
So can we assume that Margit met Christoffer Solberg in EKERS, probaly Houg? I am thinking that the age difference between Margit and Christoffer was such that their relationship was not looked upon favorable by Christoffer's family. So much so that they left EKERS to go live in JEVNAKER. Can we also assume that Christoffer knew some people in Jevnaker...(Gulbrand Haugereie, Edvard Olsen, Marie Larsdatter, and that he and Margit went there to have their child?
Then it looks as if Margit left Christoffer about year after their son was born. So if we are correct then Christoffer did NOT die as the family history stated.
Margit may not have counted upon anybody finding out what really happened in Jevanker because none of her family were there and they had no connection to them.
If it is true that Christoffer Solberg did NOT die then poor Margit had to live with an untruth her whole life.....and that must have been a heavy burden.
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eibache
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Posted - 05/08/2008 : 10:04:23
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| A little bit of info: Pgd means Præstejeld = Parish, Nordrehoug is a parish in Buskerud, in 1865 also written Nordrehov, today Norderhov, should not be understood as the name of a farm similar to Houg or Haug in the Eker ( or Eiker) parish |
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 05/08/2008 : 10:40:02
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Originally posted by eibache
A little bit of info: Pgd means Præstejeld = Parish, Nordrehoug is a parish in Buskerud, in 1865 also written Nordrehov, today Norderhov, should not be understood as the name of a farm similar to Houg or Haug in the Eker ( or Eiker) parish
Hi Eibache,
Is Houg farm located within the boundaries of Nordrehoug? |
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eibache
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Posted - 05/08/2008 : 12:03:58
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Yes there is a Haug farm in Norderhov - one of more than 60 farms by the name Haug in Norway.
Petter Jensen and his wife Marthine Pettersdatter with their children Jens, Johan Petter, Martin and Petra were living there in 1865. The mother of Petter Jensen (or possibly his wife) Marthe Pedersdatter was also living with the family. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/08/2008 : 13:48:47
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Hi Erik,
Yes, I think we find that our ancestors are much like we are, motivated by the same or similar things, feeling many of the same strains as well as triumphs in living.
I concur that the situation as you have outlined it, is entirely possible. Because of my research, I know of a number of these situations, in which a woman with an illegitimate child comes to America with a tale of a deceased husband rather than face disapproving society at home or in America. That there appears to be Solberg family connections in Jevnaker, the Edvard Olsen you have pointed out and perhaps the Marie Olsen ae 33 on the Hauger farm in Jevnaker are siblings of Oluf's father.
One area you can go about researching is finishing out the information on all the children of Ole Kristofferson and Berte Johnsdatter, since this family appears to be yours. I still wonder if Oluf's father, Christofer [or Christian] Solberg, is Johan Christofer Olsen Solberg or the younger Christofer Olsen Solberg. It might have been that Margit was too old for the young Christofer but not considered of the same "class" as the elder. Different filters to the same end. The Edvard and the Marie in Jevnaker may indeed be the siblings but without further research to substantiate or to eliminate, it is only [a likely]supposition. There are two ways to prove something--either direct proof of the facts or by proving that nothing else is possible. It's the old 'Sherlock Holmes' thing: Once you have removed the impossible, whatever's left, however improbable, is the truth.
On the other hand, the information showing that Margit left with Thor and Oluf is an extract of the passenger list for that particular voyage the purpose of the collection of which was to only collect those from Hallingdal. A husband seperated in the list from Margit or a future husband coming from somewhere else but on the same trip may not have been collected. How were their tickets paid for, in Norway or America? The family spent three years in Goodhue county before coming to Douglas--is there any evidence of a Mr. Solberg there?
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 13/08/2008 : 18:32:39
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Emigration on 07-JUL-1871
Marit Mikelsdatter, married(!), (41) from Goel, destination Milwauce
Tor Aslaksen (11)
Oluf Aslaksen (1/2)
Jan Peter
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Dear Board Members:
Jan Peter had found that Margit and her two sons left Norway-Oslo- on board the HERO.
Using the Norwayheritage.com ships and lines section I was able to view the Corresponding Ships for this particular journey.
It looks like the Hero was a feeder ship to other ships leaving England for North America. But some of these corresponding ships left ports in England prior to the HERO even leaving Norway, so I am wondering how they could have connected to these other ships?
Am I not understanding how to read the corresponding ships page, and how best to narrow down the list of ships to search for passenger lists?
Best Regards to all,
Erik.
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Posted - 13/08/2008 : 19:10:51
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The list of corresponding ships for the S/S Hero (2) journey 1871-07-07 Christiania - Christiansand - Hull should be used as a guideline for possible ships to cross the Atlantic.
The July 7th departure from Christiania/Christiansand could not have arrived in Hull, England earlier than July 8th or 9th. From Hull, they most likely took the train to Liverpool. That means they could not have boarded the cross-atlantic steamer earlier than July 10th (approx).
They possibly crossed on one of these 4 ships:
S/S Calabria, Cunard Line, dep Liverpool 1871-07-11, arr New York 1871-07-23
S/S Colorado, Guion Line, dep Liverpool, arr New York 1871-07-23
S/S Moravian, Allan Line, dep Liverpool 1871-07-13, arr Quebec 1871-07-24
S/S City of Washington, Inman Line, dep Liverpool, arr New York 1871-07-25
My guess is S/S Calabria or S/S Colorado...
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 13/08/2008 : 19:25:06
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Jan Peter,
thank you. Do you know of a website where we can obtain passenger lists for ships arriving in New York? |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 13/08/2008 : 19:28:30
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Marit Michlsdotter born 1830 is registered as arrived in New York on S/S Calabria on July 24th, 1871.
Travelling with her:
Oslacheli Michlsdotter, born 1860 (= Tor Aslaksen)
Olaf Michlsdotter, born 1870 (= Oluf Aslaksen)
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 13/08/2008 : 19:53:16
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o.k. Thanks for that.!
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 15/08/2008 : 03:04:40
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Originally posted by Holly
I looked at every male, born Norway, age between 41 & 50 in both of those counties & couldn't find him. I even looked for every male between 51 & 60.
If you have his neighbors from the 1860 or 1880 census, you might want to try to find them to see if there is an empty dwelling next to them. If no one was home when the census taker came to visit, they'd sometimes ask neighbors about who was living in the "empty" home, but they sometimes just listed the dwelling as empty.
By the way, you were wondering about "Thomson". My Torje Tjøstolvsen / Kjøstolvsen became Tora or Thomas Thompson & all of his sons ended up with that surname as well.
I wanted to ask you & maybe you don't know, were your people connected to any of the "Holden" churchex?
Holden in Goodhue County, MN
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Hi Holly,
Yes, I just found out that my family attended Holden Church in Kenyon. There was a baptism there in 1868. It was for CAroline Berg, she was a daughter of Kari and Ole Helgesen Berg. Kari (Mikkelsdatter) Berg was a sister to Margit Mikkelsdatter Teigen/
I have ordered microfilm from 1866-1875.....the period my family was settled in Goodhue County.
I'll let you know if I find anything more.....and if you need me to look for anything on the microfilm from those years please let me know.
best regards,
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