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bark
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 Posted - 30/03/2008 : 05:21:48
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My great great grandparents Lars Larsen (Perlesteenbakken)
and Kari Torkildsdatter (Hougebraaten )were married in Sor Aurdal parish in Hedalen sokn on June 11th 1861. I was wondering how I find the church they were married in or if they were even married in a church.
Thanks!
( ) is the areas in which they lived |
Theresa Larson |
Edited by - bark on 30/03/2008 06:11:52 |
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eibache
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Posted - 30/03/2008 : 11:05:05
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They most likely was married in the church since it in the marriage record does not mention otherwise, see #5 1861
Since this is a record for the Hedal Annex in Sør-Aurdal you would believe that they may have been married in the stave church - a magnificent one, see 10021 hedalstavkirke
I see they moved out from Hedal 1865 to make a living in US, see #5&6
they had three children then and moved out together with Karis parents, Thorkel Thorkelsen and his wife Kari.
The daughter Kari was born Oct 10 1861, see #32
Gjertrud was born July 18 1863, see #41
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eibache
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Posted - 30/03/2008 : 14:57:05
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The baptismal record for Thorkel, Karis "uægte" son is #41
Karis parents Thorkel Thorkelsen and Kari Juulsdatter were married Jan 1 1830, see #3
Karis father Torkel was baptized Sept 30 1804, see right hand page here
his parents were Torkel Jonsen and Kari Olsdatter at the Storruste farm. |
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bark
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Posted - 30/03/2008 : 19:40:47
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| Thank you all so very much, this is so excting. |
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eibache
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Posted - 30/03/2008 : 21:16:22
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Kari Larsdatter at Perlestenbak in the 1865 census was Lars Larsens sister. The wife of Lars Larsen - Føderaad at Perlestenbak in 1865, Kari Jakobsdatter was not Kari and Lars mother - confirmation records say it was Kari Arnesdatter.
Lars was born May 27 1829 and baptized June 13 record is #53 on page 44 of Oppland fylke, Sør-Aurdal, Ministerialbok nr. 3 (1825-1840), Fødte og døpte 1829.
His sister Kari was born June 13 1825, see right hand page #45
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DALB
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Posted - 31/03/2008 : 08:00:53
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I was trying to avoid duplication of information already posted, but in correcting something, I deleted my whole message and had to start over, so I will post it the most convenient way for me.
Lars Larsen's parents - married 1824 Aug 2
Lars Larsen Garthuushougen 28 & Kari Arnesdatter Oyhuus 33
children: it appears that Lars had a child before marriage with another Kari
1824 May 2 - Apr 2 Lars to Lars Larsen Garthuushougen & Kari Larsd Tronhuus unm.
death - 1824 Nov 22 Lars Larsen Tronhuus 7 1/2 months
1825 July 5 - June 13 Kari to Lars Lasen Fonhuus & Kari Arnesdatter
1826 Aug 13 - July 3 Elisabet at Garthuushougen
1829 June 13 - May 27 Lars at Hansebraaten
1830 Nov 21 - Oct 20 Anne at Hansebraaten
1833 Nov 17 - Oct 31 Arne at Hansebraaten
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on Kari's parents - married 1830 Jan 1
Torkel Torkelsen Landsenden 26 & Kari Juulsdatter Ovrebyeei 22
children - (in the records that I have)
1834 Jan 3 - Nov 2 (1833) John to Torkild Torkildsen & Kari Juulsdatter Landsenden
1839 Oct 13 - Sept 6 Kari at Hougebraaten
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Torkel's father's second marriage - 1799 Mar 17
enkm. Torkel Jonsen Storusto & Kari Olesdatter Lundelien
children:
1800 Jan 12 Ole to Torkel Jonson Storustoe & Kari Olesdatter
1801 Feb 8 Anders at Storustoe
1803 Aug 14 Ole at Landsenden
*1804 Sept 30 Torkel at Storustoe
1806 Mar 30 Sigri at Storustoe
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first marriage for Torkel Jonsen - 1787 Sept 30
Torchild Joensen Goplerud & enken Sigri Sivertsdatter Storudstoe
children:
1789 Apr 4 Ingbor to Torkil Joensen Storrudstoe & Sigri Sivertsdatter
1791 Sept 24 Sivert at Storrudstoe
1794 Mar 24 Joen at Storrudstoe
1796 Sept 11 Torgrim at Storrudstoe
death of Sigri - 1798 Jan Sigri Syversdatter StorRusoe 39 married
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death of Sigri's first husband
1787 Jan - Jon Anderson Storustoe 37
born - 1748 Aug 18 Joen to Anders StorRusoen & Siri Jonsdatter
Jon and Sigri's children: ( I did not find their marriage)
1782 Mar 23 Sigri to Joen Anderson & Sigri Syversd Storigsto
1785 Jan 8 Anders to Joen Storrudstoe & Sigri Sivertsd
1787 Apr 1 Joen to Jon Anderson Storostoe & enken SIgri Syversd
(the last child was born after her husband died)
the family on the 1801 census at Graav Store
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=3&filnamn=f10540&gardpostnr=63&merk=63#ovre
1801-telling for 0540 Ourdahl
County district Parish Local parish Farm
63 Christians Ourdahl Hedahlen Graav Store
Given name Last name Household pos. Age Marital status Occupation Sex
1605 Torkel Jonsen Huusbond 39 Hans 2det og hendes 1te ægteskab Gaardbruger M
1606 Kari Olsdtr Huustrue 23 Hans 2det og hendes 1te ægteskab K
1607 Syvert Torkelsen Søn 9 Ugift af første ægteskab Hos forældrene M
1608 Jon Torkelsen Søn 6 Ugift af første ægteskab Hos forældrene M
1609 Torgrim Torkelsen Søn 4 Ugift af første ægteskab Hos forældrene M
1610 Ole Torkelsen Søn 2 Ugift Hos faderen M
1611 Anders Torkelsen Søn 1 Ugift Hos faderen M
1612 Ingebor Torkelsdtr Stiv datter 12 Ugift Hos faderen K
1613 Anders Jonsen Stiv søn 16 Ugift Hos stivfaderen M
1614 Jon Jonsen Stiv søn 14 Ugift Hos stivfaderen
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Kåarto
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bark
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Posted - 01/04/2008 : 01:52:30
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| I learned from this information that Kari(my gggrandmother) had my ggrandfather Torkel before she married Lars. He was born 9/23/1858, it does list his mom as Kari Thorkelsdtr and his father as John Ols. Kari and John were not married. I have no other information on John-how would I find out more about him with so little information. |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 01/04/2008 : 03:21:53
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The database of baptisms -
Thorkel b. 1859
The original birth/baptism record -
Thorkel original record
1859 is not long before the 1865 census. His father, John Olsen, is listed as a husmann on the Dokkebakken farm. Check the 1865 census for that farm in Sør-Aurdal -- perhaps he is still there and would be listed with a birth year, other family, or other helpful info. |
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DALB
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Posted - 01/04/2008 : 03:50:45
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The best thing for you to do is to get a hold of a Bygdebok for the Hedalen area of Sondre Aurdal in Valdres, Oppland. The Hedalen area is in Book D in the 4 books for Sør Aurdal. I don't have as ready access to the book as I used to have. Find Kari's family and it should give you more data on John. The Bygdelag would have all of the books. http://www.valdressamband.org/
In checking the Digital Archives, there were two farms - Dokkebakkene and Dokkebakken on the 1865 census. John was not on either of them. He could have been working there at the time the child was born.
This is a long shot - but this John Olson could be a candidate to be the father of Thorkel. He is of the right age and has a 1 year old daughter, so probably married in the last couple years.
1865 census
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=21&filnamn=f60540&gardpostnr=735&personpostnr=3571&merk=3571#ovre
1865-telling for 0540 Søndre Aurdal
District no. Page School distr. Local parish Parish Farm Title
735 7 161 Nordre Hedal Hedalen Søndre Aurdal Ildjarnstadbrænden 1
Pers.no. Household Given name Last name Family pos. Occupation Marital status Age Sex Birth place Cattle Sheep Goat Mixed grain Potatoes
3571 14 1 John Ols. Husmand med Jord g 32 m S. Aurdals Prgj. 2 6 2 1/2 1/2
3572 15 Gunnild Knutsd. hans Kone g 25 k S. Aurdals Prgj.
3573 16 Ole Halvors. Føderaadsmand g 62 m S. Aurdals Prgj.
3574 17 Kari Eriksd. hans Kone g 64 k S. Aurdals Prgj.
3575 18 Ole Ols. Logerende Skomager ug 29 m S. Aurdals Prgj.
3576 19 Olea Olsd. Logerende Spinderske ug 41 k S. Aurdals Prgj.
3577 20 Kari Johnsd. Johns Datter ug 1 k S. Aurdals Prgj.
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eibache
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Posted - 01/04/2008 : 08:23:37
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I don't believe John Olsen was a "Huusmand", the abbreviation looks more like "Huss" indicating he was the son of a Huusmand, i.e. Ole Halvorsen.
When Thorkel was born he was at Dokkebakken, most likely as a farmhand. (see my posting 30/03/2008 : 14:57:05)
He was born June 21 1834 at Grovseie, see #69
When he married Gunnild Knudsdatter in 1864 he is said to have been born at Kjærnstadeie? - see #13
When his daughter Kari was born 1865, see #1 1866
he is said to be Huusmand from Thorslien af Kjærnstad while he at the 1865 census was at Ildjarnstadbrænden.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 01/04/2008 : 13:41:24
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Strange and confusing, some records don´t correspond,
two possible Thorkel Johnsen.
Thorkel Johnsen emigrated in 1865, he was born Jan. 30. 1854, see the emigration record #7
The migration records for Valdres show the same date of birth.
In the next record 1855 is stroken, see #13 down page.
Could that be the reason for the wrong year in the emigration record?
Jan. 30. 1855, Thorkel Johnsen was born out of wedloc, his father was John Torkelsen Haugebroten age 22 and maid Olaug Andersdatter Skrædderhuset.
Could Thorkel Johnsen be Kari Torkelsdatters fosteson and was John Torkelsen her brother?
Kari Thorkelsdatter and her husband Lars Larsen lived on Haugebraaten when they emigrateted in 1865, the same farm John Torkelsen came from, see Thorkel Johnsens birth record #13
One and a half hour later I found out that Thorkel born 1859 was the right one, sorry for the confusion, I just wanted it to be exacly since the records had some divergence.
They left on Bark Balder from Oslo Mai.7. Thorkel age 4, passangers 45-49
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bark
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Posted - 01/04/2008 : 23:37:31
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| I am kinda confused now! Kari did have a brother named John Torkelson Haugebroten. He came to america in the early 1860's. When Kari and her family came over they settled next to him in wisconsin. Why would the migration record not have my Thorkel birthday, and have the other Thorkels birhday listed instead. Is there any way to find out what happened to the Thorkel born on Jan 1 1855. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 02/04/2008 : 00:42:07
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Its not unusual wrong dates and names are appearing, and 1859 could easily be taken for 1854, the unusual here is the date Jan. 1 in the church book.
Thorkel born 1859 is the right person.
The only who moved out of Sør-Aurdal parish from Haugebraaten in these migration records exept the emigrants from 1865 I could find is this family in 1860:
Thorkil Thorkilsen Haugsbraaten born August 17. 1827, his wife Olia Kristoffersdatter and their two daughters Kari and Gunild Thorkilsdrs. click here
They moved to Nes parish in Hallingdal, right page 1860 # 2-3 and 4
They didn´t stay long in Hallingdal. Already next year on April 14 they emigrated to America, first page #65-66-67-68
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Edited by - Kåarto on 02/04/2008 21:18:31 |
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