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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 19/05/2008 : 12:28:41
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Hi Carra,
easy to get lost in all the Hagtor/Havtor names, sorry for the confusion and the wrong date abowe (1726 became 1762, the date of the year is on page 44).
Havtor Knudsen Pallum1669-1783 married Mai 27.1725 to Elen Christophersdatter Flataunet born March 15. 1704-she died 1783 in Rissa.
Havtor Knudsen´s father Knud Havtorsen Pallum (Knud Pallum) born about 1659, he was buried June 6. 1726, he was married to Marit/Marrite Jonsdatter Overskaug born about 1659, she was buried Jan. 29. 1730 in Rissa
Yes you are right, Knud Caspersen Skaanøen married his 1. cousin Ingeborg Knudsdatter Pallum.
Wow, not exactly to Bedrock,
but when I made an expansion in the search for (Marit )Jonsdatter Overskaug I came across this beautiful familytree in English containing a huge number of information, click here
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Edited by - Kåarto on 19/05/2008 12:57:57 |
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carraj
Medium member
USA
107 Posts |
Posted - 20/05/2008 : 07:51:46
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Wow is right!! What a find!! Thank you so much, I'm going to have a great time going through this new information too!
I had a laugh at your saying that it was easy to get lost in the Haftor/Havtor family ... I wouldn't have even been able to guess at some of those Parish records if you weren't translating them for me first! I can figure out many of the entries in the books that are in sections, but the ones that are chronological only, with the old writing ... and I don't read Norwegian much except for the names ... I'd really be lost if you hadn't already shined the light on the right spots first! Thank you for all the help!
One piece of information I never did see where you found it ...
that in 1801 Knud Caspersen was a soldier in the local militia? It was probably right in front of me but I just couldn't see it.
Another question I had about the "land.sold" entry for Knud Caspersen ... what would that mean when his mother was listed as the farm/land owner ... what land would Knud likely have been selling and to whom? It seems like it would have been more likely for the mother to be selling the land to her son, Knud, and for him to be listed as "land.bought"? Any ideas? |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/05/2008 : 10:23:34
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Hi,
the 1801 census for Skaanøen, Knud Caspersen age 37, see column under "Yrke" Profession, Landv. sold.
Landv. sold. is shortened for "Landvern soldat", Knud Caspersen at age 37 in 1801 was to old to be a soldier in the regular army, so he was now a member of the local militia.
As a former soldier he was inlisted in the 1. Trondhjemske Infanteri Regiment 3. Nationale Batallion including following municipalities: Melhus, Rissa, Selbu, Statsbygd, Bjørnø and Strinda in Sør Trøndelag county.
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carraj
Medium member
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Posted - 20/05/2008 : 17:34:41
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Hi Kåre,
Thanks, and I apologize for being such a dummy -- I was reading "Land.sold" as English -- Uf-duh!! -- and didn't even think of looking it up! Thank you for your kind reply! |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/05/2008 : 19:13:36
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Don´t apologize for having problems in understanding these old Norwegian words Carra, most of them only exist in the old censuses, church books, probateregisters etc.
Actually, most Norwegians dont understand the meaning of "landv. sold.".
I always tell "Norskamerikanere" having the the opportunity:
The Norwegian language is still in your GENES.
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carraj
Medium member
USA
107 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2008 : 01:57:05
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The forefathers to this family was Casper Andersen Skaanøen 1726-93 and Ingeborg Hagtorsdatter Pallum 1726-1812. Casper Andersen was christened June 2. 1726, left hand 19 and 20. line from top: 2. Juny.........døbt (bap.) Anders and Dordi (Ingeborg) Skaanøens søn (son) Casper
I am unable to find the farm Skaanøens on any of the online maps I normally use. I located it in the Matrikkelutkastet av 1950 as Skånøien, and in the Matrikkelutkastet av 1886 as Skaanøiens, but can't find it under any of those spellings on any online maps I know about. I'd appreciate any direction that might be offered please? Thanks very much! |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/05/2008 : 08:18:39
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Use this map
and søk - search/velg - choose Skånøya (Gårdsbruk), Rissa, Sør-Trøndelag
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Edited by - eibache on 29/05/2008 08:30:36 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 29/05/2008 : 12:41:35
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Guess you are still working on your family tree Carra.
Pehaps you has to expand a wall in one of your room?
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carraj
Medium member
USA
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Posted - 30/05/2008 : 09:38:43
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Thanks Einar! That is one of the maps that I was using but where/how did you come up with "Skånøya"? I hadn't found that version of the farm name, even in Rygh's data, which was the problem obviously. I am thrilled to know this is the farm, because it is in the exact area where I expected it should be! Thanks for the help and would appreciate knowing how you arrived at that spelling.
Very funny Kåre!! Yes, I will have to use a wall-stretcher! It's your fault anyway, for giving me so much good information to follow up on! Thanks again! |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 30/05/2008 : 09:57:04
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| Skaanøen is an old spelling - presently Skånøya since aa=å and øen = øya. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 30/05/2008 : 11:30:48
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Hi Carra,
a useful tool, a wall-stretcher.
Use the same map for Pallum, spelled Pallin (gårdsbruk Rissa/farm in Rissa), Overskaug, todays Øverskau is close, south to Pallum at the same road.
Pallum means a flat height.
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kathyzeien
Medium member
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 06:01:48
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Hi,
Just stumbled on some family information on the Heggen's mentioned in the first posting on page one. As it turns out I believe my grandfather's brother was married into this family. From what I have been able to figure out the Kristian Heggen - born 1879 was living in Wells County, North Dakota in the 1910 census and married to a woman named Olene. They are also in the 1915 and 1925 census in Wells County, North Dakota. They had a daughter named Mabel. Further searching in the North Dakota death index shows that Christian Heggen was born 5-27-1879 and died 4-12-1922 in North Dakota. After Christian died Olena married Ingvald Thon and they are in the 1930 Census in Nolin, Hill County, Montana. Further checking are the following families: Christopher Heggen and his wife Olive, and the next family is Christopher Reum, wife Christine and family.
Back to Christian Heggen, on the Family Search website someone in this family states that Christian married Olina Isaksdatter Lyshaug who was born on June 12,, 1891. Their marriage was Oct. 27, 1910, Stranden, Leksvik, Nord Trondelag. I checked the SSDI for Olena Thon and the birthdays match, so I would say it's a match!
Also on Ancestry there is a obit for Chris Heggen, born April 22, 1928 and passed away on Dec. 3, 2004. He was the son of Chris L. and Olive (Reum) Heggen and states their children if she is interested.
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kathyzeien
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 06:45:04
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Hi,
In the North Dakota Death Index is:
Zakarias Heggen - Born April 23, 1824 and died Aug. 21, 1924. Wow. 100 years old.
In Highland Cemetery, in Hill County Montana - Just lists the death dates, but could find out exact birthdates on SSDI.
Lawrence C. Heggen - Died: April 5, 1945
Chris Heggen - Died: Dec. 10, 2004
Chris Heggen - Died: July 19, 1993
Olive Heggen - Died: Sept. 19, 1973 |
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kathyzeien
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 00:14:56
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Hello,
I have a question on searching for a relative of mine's relatives. On page one of these postings is a Zacarius Knudsen Heggen. Zacarius had a daughter names Melena who married a man names John Johnson Lien who was born on May 26, 1859 in Statsbygden, Norway. He died on April 6, 1920 in Pierce County, North Dakota. Melena and John were married in Minnesota. I have seen the Zacarius immigration posted on the pages here. I thought finding John and his records in Norway would be easy. I am having no luck. My relative would love information on John Johnson Lien and I need help. Thank You, Kathy |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 15/06/2009 : 05:36:34
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Hi Kathy,
Googling "statsbygden" finds 190 examples and most appear to be in Sor Trondelag. Perhaps the proper farm name is "Statsvig"? There are ten folks on Statsvig in the 1865 census, one is a John Jakobsen age is a bit exaggerated to be your guy but perhaps this is a place to start.
Good Luck...
Jackie M. |
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Lorenz Heggen, Kristian, Kristoffer, Emigr 1894
