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atle-unnimarie
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 Posted - 23/06/2008 : 10:10:47
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I once read that the farm name KVAM of Aurland, S&F, NO was the base name for a farm in ICELAND Not sure of the source. UNDREDAL of Aurland was the home base of the Viking whose wife was purported to be from Aurland. The source said the Viking was 'of Sogn' and, of course, 'rich and powerful'. No dates were provided - or I forgot them.
Does anyone have facts or even clues re this?
Directions to research references are welcome. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 24/06/2008 : 09:57:53
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Could it be Aud "Den djupugda" (means very rich and not deep-minded) Ketilsdatter about 834-900, likley born in Raumsdal (Romsdal) in Møre and Romsdal county north of Sogn you are looking for?
She was grandaughter to mighty Herse (local king) Bjørn Buna from Grimsete in Aurland who settled down on Iceland after Harald I Halvdansson Hårfagre (Hairfine) became overall king in Norway about 872.
Aud settled down on Iceland and founded Kvam in Skjeggedal, most likely but not confirmed named after Kvam in Ytre (Outher) Hafslo in Sogn owned by her Grandfather Bjørn Buna.
Here is more information about Kvam, sorry but no English translation, by Arne Kvitrud.
If these are the people you are looking for there are more information available.
Aurland is in the southern part of the county and Hafslo is north of Sognefjorden.
Kvam can be seen in this Map, spell "Kam Hafslo", choose "velg" nr 3 and you will find Kvam, change to foto and watch the area.
Kåre
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Edited by - Kåarto on 24/06/2008 13:12:03 |
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atle-unnimarie
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Posted - 24/06/2008 : 15:16:06
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Thanks for your quick and concise response. I browsed thru the data and now have to digest it and decide about "homework" to what extent. Time consuming, yes. Rewarding, definitely yes. Ahhh. To the reading room!!!
Yes, I believe these are the right people. I did not realize KVAM was a popular farm name in Norway let alone in Sogn. My bad! I was aware of several ONSTADS through out Norway.
Your reference mentions ANDERS OHNSTAD, a learned man. He has been my main source for the Aurland area as well as he in conjunction with Ann GJERLOW in the Bygdebok. I am not direct blood to either, but my name is Jon Bryce JERLOW - I go by Bryce.
I have Onstad roots through Unni Marie Jonsdtr HOIDAL1, b1817, going back to Jon ONSTAD of 1660 and to 1590's per Botolv of Lagmansas, still of Aurland. Unni Maries husband Atle Torgersen KVAM 79, b1814, is the other root connection, he buying the GJERLOV48 farm in 1844. Thus, my signature, atle-unnimarie!
I have not heard of GRIMSETE in Aurland. Does it still exist? Have a different spelling? Other name?
Again, an abundance of thanks for your abundant info.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 24/06/2008 : 20:21:09
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Atle-unnimarie, I catched three Norwegian first names, now it make sensce, great combination.
The name Grimsete still exist in Aurland and Grimsete mountain pasture exist where the farm was placed .
Grimsete is located to a valley called Låvisdalen and two large mountain areas for hunting reindeer, mostly catched in traps. This hunting areas belonged to Grimsete.
A curiosity: King Sverre Sigurdsson´s mother Gunnild was from the ancestral family farm Sultan in Låvisdalen close to Grimsete, he was very proud of his great family coming from Låvisdalen likley coming from the old Aurland dynasty.
There is also a Kvam farm mentioned in Aurland by Anders Ohnstad, down page about 3/4 (sorry, only in Norwegian) chapter:
Gunnild Sultan, Sverres mor.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 24/06/2008 21:38:43 |
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atle-unnimarie
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Posted - 25/06/2008 : 08:32:54
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I can not get the Grimsete map to do what it is supposed to do. Can you rephrase your instructions, please. Old dog. New tricks.
Are Stegen and Stigen variant spellings or different words / places? Are these in common usage in Norway?
Can Stolen be a stand alone name for a place? I am thinking of Bottolv Stolen of Aurland circa 1600. Now I see it WITH Stolen Grimsete. Is it an adjective or a proper noun - or other?
Hope you do not mind all the questions.
Thanks, again. Bryce, the not deep minded (at the moment at least)
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Kåarto
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Posted - 25/06/2008 : 12:35:57
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If you can use the letter Å, enter the map and write Låvisdalen, click on "søk", zoom out once and Grimsete appear in the right corner.
The photo from Grimsete is Grimsetestølen/stolen.
Stolen is another spelling for Stølen/Stulen, likley coming from a summer pasture contains a small piece of land where people settled down and expand the land.
Grimsete was used as a summepasture in the last centuries, it was not a propper place for growing grain, but doing well as pasture land.
The Bjørn Buna dynasty had most of its income from reideerhunting, the farm was strategic placed for this with a great view to the valley, liklely people has lived and hunted here for thousands of years (source: Anders J.Ohnstad).
Stegen/Stigen is a common name used in many variations, means track/path.
Stegen/Stigen could also means a ladder, a steep place for a farm, I have seen farms used that name if they were located to a steep place, in this case it means likely path.
Bottolf Stolen was likely Bottolv Stølen
Kåre (usually not deep minded)
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atle-unnimarie
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Posted - 26/06/2008 : 00:12:20
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Thanks again. You have been more than generous in your help. I can not get the special characters for changing letters to Norwegian alphabet, but I get the drift.
I ordered an intro to Norwegian Language Booklet. This will be helpful. It is interesting seeing the evolution of spelling of names / places over time. My Jerlow has gone through a lot. I see nowdays it is Gjerla, with the 'dot' over the a.
The steep path makes sense in this case as I understand Stegan is difficult to get to and used to require a laddering method. Almost sounds like a fortification and a great lookout point. Marketing the local cheese etc must have been difficult.
Getting more deep minded, here. Again, thanks. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/06/2008 : 10:48:31
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Spell aurland in the map, enter "søk" and choose Aurland I (Kraftstasjon) "Power plant" and you will watch both Låvisdalen and Grimsete (of cource it had to be a big cloud the day the photo was taken covering the whole of Låvisdalen: Murphy´s law), but the map works.
From the Saga.
Perhaps Aud Ketilsdatter was deep minded (source: Anders J. Ohnstad), she was also very rich (source Arne Kvitrud).
Aud and her father Ketil Flatnev is mentioned in Laxdøla Saga with an index containing an enormous number of the Icelandic sagas, many of them in English.
Ketils brother Brynjulv Bjørnsen take over Grimsete after coming to an agreement with King Harad 1. Bjørn owned several farms in Aurland and was very rich.
Descendants after him became Lendmenn for generations.
His son Bjørn and Tora, the daughter of Herse Tore Roaldsen, they both run to Iceland because her father didn´t allow Tora to marry Bjørn. After some dipolmatic negotiations they got married and their daughter Åsgerd married the famous viking and poem Egil Skallagrimson
Tora grew up with king Harld 1 son Eirik Blodøks, he was brought up by her father on Eirikstad on Svanøy (Swan island) in outher Førdefjorden in Sogn.
Egil had a long lasting conflict with Eirik Bloøks, he was taken prisoner in Dublin, Ireland where Eirik was king, but survived by writing the poem Hodelausen "The head loosening" which he presented to King Eirik, se down page in the link about Eigil Skallgrimsson.
It was his MIL Tora´s brother Arinbjørn who served king Eirik who recommend him to do that if he didn´t want to loose his head.
The Family tree for this family, see about 3 inches down, is written in Heimskringla by the Islandic historian and poem Ari Frode Torgilsson "Ari the wise" about 1120, he was a decendant, 9. generation, after Ketil Flatnev.
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atle-unnimarie
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Posted - 26/06/2008 : 15:53:19
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Thanks again. I will examine these later. Just want to comment right now that I received my July issue of SMITHSONIAN magazine today. "So what?", you say. Well ....
The front cover is entitled "VIKING VOYAGE OF DISCOVERY".
The article is entitled "RAIDERS OR TRADERS".
Much Viking history is addressed as inferred by the titles, the entire article being seven pages.
Much of it is about the 2007 voyage of a hand made 98 foot replica of a Viking vessel, this being named "Sea Stallion of Glendalough". This cost $2.5 Mil USD to build, being done by hand made "period tools, probable techniques, and materials"
The Sea Stallion is along the Liffy of Dublin right now and will set sail for Dover, England, this coming Sunday, 6-29-08, after festivities starting Saturday. Perhaps someone reading this sketch is in the territory and would want to see her.
I will remain in California, but five miles from the Pacific Ocean. |
Edited by - atle-unnimarie on 27/06/2008 02:03:16 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/06/2008 : 22:48:04
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Strange coincidense, I followed Sea Stallion "Havhingstens" journey on internet last summer. A long and narrow longship with great skills in the sea.
A copy of Osebergskipet will be build in Norway, the first 4 of 28 big oakes has been felled this spring.
Kåre
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atle-unnimarie
Junior member
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Posted - 27/06/2008 : 02:08:58
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Fascinating and fantastic. Thanks for sharing. I hope someone seeing these forums gets to see her.
I also made a brief comment in the Hannah-Parr forum for that same reason. |
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atle-unnimarie
Junior member
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Posted - 27/06/2008 : 03:41:29
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This is not confined to the Vikings of Iceland, but Vikings in general. Perhaps this should be a new topic. However, I address it here.
In the USA when we study World History in school, it is mostly confined to European History or Western Civilization. "World " is a misnomer. At any rate, the year 1066 ( the Battle at Hastings) is one of the standout historical moments in High School History academia. Thus, Viking lore continued, modestly so. HOWEVER, we were not taught that in the same 1066 in Granada, Spain the First as defined "recorded' Massacre occurred. The then ruling Muslim Heirarchy ordered the community to kill all the local Jews. 4,000 Jews were killed in ONE DAY.
Many lives have been lost for various reasons through out history, most reasons being approximately stupid. Other reasons include the "Absolute greed corrupts absolutely " premise.
Being in search of new lands to populate and of other countries for commercial purposes is understandable. Just do not impede my search or we have a problem. Lets solve this by your money or your lives. Money is fine. This seemingly was the basic Viking premise. Pillaging per se was not the purpose. None the less, the year 1066 was a major event for the Northmen. Win some. Lose some.
However, that same year 1066 was also a major event for the Muslims. Win. Period. SOME THINGS DO NOT CHANGE! PERIOD!
Lives lost under the flag of whatever and whenever are still lives lost. Anti whatever by whomever. This is not population control as in the animal kingdom. Hmmm! Or is it?
I trust my comments are not too sensitive to anyone. I am trying to address historical fact. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 27/06/2008 : 10:38:56
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A bit of the record, but history and knowing about the past is not a drawback. Often there are pure coincidences that changed the history.
The battle of Hastings Oct. 14. 1066 was the most important battle in Europe in the Viking age and changed Europe and pariculary England with a new language, from Anglo Saxon, new laws and custums were introdused.
Wilhelm Erobreren, the Conqueror was an illigitimate son of Duke of Normandy Richard 1. a descendant after the Viking king Rollo, likely Rolv Ragnvaldsen, son of Ragnvald, earl of Møre in western Norway. Rolv was deported from Norway by king Harald 1 after an attac in Viken (Oslofjord) and settled down in the northern part of France known as Normandy with his army supplemented by Danish vikings .
It was an exhausted English army who met Wilhelm at Hastings.
Three weeks earlier, on Sept. 25. king Harald Goodwinsson of England met King Harald "the hard ruler" Sigurdsson of Norway and his brother Toste Goodwinsson at Stamford Bridge.
Harald and Toste was on a "picnick" with 2/3 of the army to find a propper place for the battle and find out how to organize the army, most of the weapons and the body armor where on the ships at Bricall some 15 Miles away when the Englis army arrived much earler than expected.
The Anglo Saxon and Norse languages were fairly simulare, a poem from the battle of Maldon in 991 written in Anglo Saxon (I only have it on print) , here is a short version.
An Engish version from the battle of Maldon where "Anlaf" Olav Trygvasson lead an Viking army "sjøkrigere" sea warriors, and where Brithnoth, Earl of Essex, refused to pay "protection money" and decided to fight.
King Harald of England was a great military strateg, new studies of the battle where William was just about to to be killed several times, he lost three horses, historians assume that the result of the battle changed when Wilhelms cavalery (horsemen) was beaten by English soldiers in the first line,all special trained in using long shafted axes held by two hands, and what was left of the cavalry run the battle field.
A part of Haralds army, encouraged by this victory, chased after them and disorder and gaps appeared in the English defence lines.
Wilhelm used that benifit immediately and the result is wellknown.
Source: Discovery Channel where they have redconstructed the battle almost hour by hour.
Kåre
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Edited by - Kåarto on 27/06/2008 17:20:52 |
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