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joyw1975
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 Posted - 24/07/2008 : 17:34:57
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From Digitalarkivet - 1865 Census:
Trefoldigheds Menighed Christiania
19836 1 1 Peder Lars. Husfader Snedkerarbeider g 53 m Vinger Sogn Manden er reist paa Landet og har vært borte ca 2 Aar E: Sjå side 122
19837 2 Karen Lars. hans Kone g 47 k Sandefjord
19838 3 Tolli August Lars. Søn ug 11 m Christiania
19839 4 Ole Christian Lars. Søn ug 7 m Christiania
19840 5 Malla Lars. Datter Dagleierske ug 19 k Sandefjord
19841 6 Kammilla Petrea Lars. Logerende Sypige ug 24 k Christiania
I am looking for Karen, Tolli (Thomas), Ole, and possibly Malla. They left Norway sometime between 1873 and 1876 and came to Omaha, Nebraska. I believe Peter must have died in Norway.
Can someone find the ship(s) they came on?
Thanks for your help!
Joy
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 02:42:42
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If you have Ole and Tolli's birthdates, this could be them in the 1900 census.
Name: Ole Larson
Home in 1900: Omaha Ward 2, Douglas, Nebraska
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Birthplace: Norway
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie C
Race: White
Immigration Year: 1875
Household Members: Name Age
Ole Larson 41 (born Jan. 1859) Immigrated 1875
Annie C Larson 33
Einer Larson 15
Oliva C Larson 13
Erving W Larson 11
Christian Larson 9
Thomas B Larson 6
Harry R Larson 3
Ellen Larson 1
Thomas A Larson 45 (Brother Tolli? born Nov. 1854) Immigrated 1874
Les
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joyw1975
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 04:35:00
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Yes, this is Ole and Thomas...
I have info regarding them in Nebraska, but I was wondering exactly when they came to the USA.
I am unable to find them in church records in Norway, only the 1865 census.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 10:30:14
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Hi Joy,
A couple of things spring to mind...
First, this census listing for 1865 is quite interesting. You say that you haven't found these folks in any church record but there are at least 3 parishes mentioned for the family members in this group:
Christiana (possibly the Trefoldighet where they are in 1865), Sandefjord and Vinger. The minimum you should be able to pick up will be the baptisms for each of the folks born in those parishes as well as other details, like leaving records, etc.
Second, the entry about Peder is quite interesting, too. My Norwegian isn't the greatest but I interpret it to mean: "The husband has left the country and he has been away for about two years." But I'd defer to someone with better Norwegian language skills than I. It would be curious if he is dead, however, since he is listed in the household and Karen, who would be the widow, is listed as g (gifte) instead of e (enke).
Third, in the U.S. 1900 census what is the civil status for Ole and Thomas? If they have filed their papers to become U.S. citizens there could be information about the approximate date they came to the U.S., sometimes including ship names and port of entry information. The LDS system has a microfilm of some naturalization records from Douglas County, Nebraska.
You have a lot of information already which should give you all sorts of avenues to pursue.
Good Luck,
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joyw1975
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 15:45:13
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I've checked the Trefoldighet records and others (though not all) in the Kristiana area. Sandefjord records do not appear to be available online for the time period needed for Karen and Malla.
I was not sure how to interpret the note regarding Peter either, But since I did not find him with the family later in the US (1880, 1885, 1900, etc.) I assumed he died in Norway.
Regarding the entry info, I am unable to get to places that might have the films I might need. Most work is done online.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 16:12:45
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Hi Joy,
It sometimes helps to know the "history" of the place as well. Sandefjord was formerly to 1877 part of a place named Sandar, according to the history at the familysearch.org site. Copy which see:
Title Kirkebøker, 1873-1932
Authors Den Norske kirke. Sandefjord prestegjeld (Vestfold) (Main Author)
Notes Mikrofilm av mss. i statsarkivet i Oslo.
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Inneholder kirkebøker fra Sandefjord sogn. Ble utskilt fra Sandar prestegjeld i 1877. Tidligere embetsforretninger må søkes ved Sandar.
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Contains parish registers from Sandefjord parish. Was separated from Sandar clerical district in 1877. See Sandar for earlier records.
Subjects Norway, Vestfold, Sandefjord - Church records
Format Manuscript (On Film)
This should help a bit for the women...
Hilsen,
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joyw1975
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 16:16:41
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| Thank you, Jackie. I'll look at Sandar. |
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jkmarler
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joyw1975
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 17:07:33
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| The link you provided looks to me like a marriage between Thor Gulliksen and Maren Olsdatter? |
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joyw1975
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 17:11:07
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I see it now - #27.
Thanks! |
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joyw1975
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 17:30:51
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I believe I found "Malla." #4 Amalie
Amalie |
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 17:32:29
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Here is a user friendly version of the marriage page: #27
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joyw1975
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 17:39:05
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| Thanks! Can you decipher the note at the end of the page? |
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 20:19:59
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The marriage record needs to be looked at closely, as the age of Peder Larsen is given as 22, for a birth year of 1824, and the 1865 census gives his age as 53, for a birth year of about 1813.
Karen's marriage age looks like 2? something, and the 1865 census indicates she is 6 years younger.
Do you have a more accurate age for Karen established?
Here is Amalie's birth record again. #4
I guess this proves they are the right marriage couple, but their ages are questionable.
To save an image from Digitalkivet, you have to save the "Permanent Pagelink" If you save the top of the page url, it will disappear in 30 minutes.
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Edited by - Lester Hanson on 25/07/2008 20:37:23 |
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joyw1975
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 21:48:48
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In 1885, Karen is 66.
In 1880, she is 60.
In 1865, she is 47.
In 1846, she is 2?.
So, Karen was probably born between 1818 and 1820, but of the many baptism records for "Karen" in Sandar, I have been unable to find the correct Karen. |
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 22:08:17
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Here is the confirmation record for Karen. Gives her birth date as 27 Dec. 1818. #8
I can't read her mother's name, it looks like Ann? ?????
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Larsen family from Christiana
