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Berta
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 Posted - 06/09/2008 : 12:04:08
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Hello.
I am looking for information about Ursin Olseng. ( Full name: Christian Ursin Olsen Olseng) who emigrated on may 20th 1880 from Skjeberg to Chicago.
Listing in the Norwegian Emigrantbase:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=12&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=20036&merk=20036#ovre
And listing in the Castle Garden base:
http://www.castlegarden.org/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=726914
But what happend to him? Did he stay in Chicago? As he has an unusual middle name, maybe he could be found?
I think "Ursin" is derived from the name "Augen" or "Eugene" (which would be the english way to pronounce it).
But am I correct in saying that "Ursin" also refers to a child who is an orphan?
Can anybody help me?
Facts about Christian Ursin Olsen Olseng:
Born: november 10th 1852, bapt. December 26th 1852.
Parents: Ole Ulriksen Olseng and Andrine Ulriksdatter Olseng. Both of Skjeberg in Norway. Christian had 6 brothers and sister, of whom 4 died as very young. The remaining sister and brother lived in Norway.
He is listed as "bĝssemager" in the norwegian database. This means that he made a living of making weapons. He may have procceded to do this in the US.
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Berta
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Posted - 06/09/2008 : 12:31:03
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I just "found" Ursin in Chicago in the 1880 Census. He is living with Book Keeper Niels Storm and his family:
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Niles B. STORM Self M Male W 59 NORWAY Book Keeper NORWAY NORWAY
Jenny STORM Wife M Female W 32 NORWAY Dress Maker NORWAY NORWAY
Ursin OLESON Other S Male W 27 NORWAY Gun Maker NORWAY NORWAY
Helena CHRSESTIANSON Other S Female W 22 NORWAY Domestic Servant NORWAY NORWAY
Helena might be a distant relative to Ursin. Bu this is not sure.
Any help is appriciated.
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jkmarler
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 08:24:33
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Christian Ursin Olsen was his real christening name, see #150
Place of living: Olseng
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Edited by - Kċarto on 07/09/2008 08:32:33 |
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Berta
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 12:14:21
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Thank you Kċreto and jkmarler.
Kċreto: I am aware of that Olseng is a reference to his place of living in Norway. But this is later also used as a surname/familyname. And that this would also be a possibillity of Ursin in the US.
But I thank you for your response and help.
Jackie M: Thank you for the provided links. I will try some searches.
Thank you both!
If anyone has any information or suggestions, I am of course interested in this.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 15:02:18
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This I am uncertain about, changing of names when you emigrated to USA.
Normally a person didn´t take his first name and use it as a last name, I have never heard of it.
My opinion:
Christian Ursin Olsen Olseng used christian Olsen or O |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 15:18:38
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This I am uncertain about, changing of names when you emigrated to USA, I have seen many variations, but when you see it, it always make sence.
Normally a person didn´t take his first name and use it as a last name, I have never heard of it.
Eugene is very close to the Nowegian pronuciation of Ursin.
Ursin, Latin for bear, as last name in Norway consists of 320 persons
My personal opinion:
Christian Ursin Olsen Olseng used Christian Olsen or Olseng in USA and perhaps kept Ursin as a middle name or the initials U as first letter.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 07/09/2008 21:52:54 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 15:31:59
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Hi,
Seeing your discussion about personal name changes on the part of immigrants and I throw in 2 cents again!
The changes made were very individual and followed no rules. My guess on an Anglicized form for Ursin might be Orson or Irvin or Erwin. Ĝrjans became Eugene or Jens, Ingeborg became Isabelle, Ole sometimes became William! But he was found in 1880 under the name Ursin so early in his migration he didn't feel the need to have a Yankee name!
Gun making would be a special occupation. Maybe his guns were hand made & collectible? Try searching at ebay!
Good Luck!
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Berta
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 17:44:38
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Thank you both for replying.
Kċreto: I think I confused you a bit. What I meant to say is that it was a possiblillty for Ursin Olsen to use "Olseng" as a last name ( not as his given name) since this was done by some of his relatives in Norway. I re-read my post and understand that it coud be misread.
So. What I thought was possible is that Christian Ursin Olsen may have used: "Ursin Olseng" at some point in time as his name.
If you check my second posting, in the 1880 census it says "Ursin Oleson". So he used not Christian there. as his "given name".
Could any of you find him in the census in 1900? anywhere?
Possible names:
Christian Ursin Olsen Olseng
Christian Olsen Olseng
Christian Olseng
Ursin Olsen Olseng
Ursin Olseng
and of course
Olesen or Olson for the Norwegian "Olsen".
It would be interesting to find him in the 1900 census.
Or in any other censuses between 1880 and 1900.
I hope I cleard up the misunderstanding?
Hope anyone could check this for me.
Jackie: Yes. That could be true! I will run a search.
Thank you for your involment. Please feel free to post again!
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jwiborg
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 19:57:55
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What about this person? Could it be Christian Olseng?
1900 United States Federal Census for Chicago Ward 27, Cook, IL:
Christian Alseng, 46
Birth Date: Nov 1853
Birthplace: Norway
Immigration Year: 1880
Marriage Year: 1882
His birthdate is given as "Nov 1853", but they are sometimes 1 year off...
Household members:
Helen Alseng, 42 (born Feb 1858)
Elsie Alseng, 17 (born May 1883)
Olaf A Alseng, 15 (born Apr 1885)
Gertie Alseng, 11 (born Dec 1888)
Hans Alseng, 3 (born Jul 1890)
1910 United States Federal Census for Chicago Ward 27, Cook, IL:
Helen Olseng, b 1858
Elsie C Olseng, b 1884
Arthur Olseng, b 1882
Gertrude A Olseng, b 1888
Hans E Olseng, b 1890
Other household members:
Hans Dahll 78
Emil Riesham 21
Ranold McClure 26
Hannah Anderson 27
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 20:57:32
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Hi,
This most likely himself at the Illinois state pre 1916 death records:
Name of Deceased Date City Age Sex Vol. Page Certificate No. County
OLSENG, CHRISTENSE U 1900-08-21 CHICAGO 47 YR U 00014475 COOK
and most likely marriage record at Illinois state archives marriages from 1763-1900:
Groom Bride Date Vol./Page License No. County
OLSEN, CHRISTIAN U CHRISTIANSON, HELENA 1881-09-20 / 0055946 COOK
Copies of these documents may be ordered at the website.
These four Olseng are from Social Security Death Index at rootsweb.com
Name Birth Death Last Residence Last Benefit SSN Issued Tools
ARTHUR OLSENG 23 Apr 1885 May 1973 60099 (Zion, Lake, IL) (none specified) 323-14-7999 Illinois
ROBERT A OLSENG 14 Jan 1932 24 Oct 2004 (V) 34446 (****sassa, Citrus, FL) (none specified) 332-30-3827 Illinois
HARRY OLSENG 17 Jul 1889 May 1967 54301 (Green Bay, Brown, WI) (none specified) 391-09-3832 Wisconsin
MARTHA OLSENG 15 Oct 1899 23 Oct 1995 54301 (Green Bay, Brown, WI) (none specified) 396-03-5981 Wisconsin
And an Ursin Chr. Olsen Olseng born 1852 in this database, perhaps you will want to contact the person who uploaded, alas in 2004:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?surname=olseng&start=21
Hilsen,
Jackie M.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 21:44:58
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So it was his girlfriend who lived with him at the Storm family in census-1880...! 
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 22:05:47
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Hi,
'Spect so. May 1880 in Norway and single and 20 Sept 1881 in Chicago and married -- no moss gathering on him! :)
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jwiborg
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 22:44:48
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Helene Christiansen is from Skjeberg, Ĝstfold as well, and is registered on the same ship as Christian Ursin Olsen Olseng, "Hohenstaufen".
I think they knew each other...
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Kċarto
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 22:58:15
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This looks vey promising.
Christian Ursin Olseng was a "Bĝssemager" Gunmaker when he emigrated in 1880.
The only factory macing arms in Norway was Kongsberg arms factory in Buskerud county so he didnt work as a gunmaker there.
He could perhaps have been a Bĝssemager/Gunmaker in the army, Ĝstfold Infantry regiment nr 1. named Smaalenenes (Ĝstfold) Batallion between1867-88, each regiment had as employeed a gunmaker, in 1880 the army was reorganized.
The army rifle until 1892 was US Remington Carabin mod. 1867.
Helene Christiansen age 22 is #30 in the emigration record for Skjeberg and Christian Ursin Olsen Olseng age 28 is #34 right page
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Edited by - Kċarto on 07/09/2008 23:37:24 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 23:33:38
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Olseng from Social Security Death Index at rootsweb.com:
Name Birth Death Last Residence Last Benefit SSN Issued Tools
ARTHUR OLSENG 23 Apr 1885 May 1973 60099 (Zion, Lake, IL) (none specified) 323-14-7999 Illinois
Hilsen,
Jackie M.
He must be Christian and Helene's son Olaf Arthur
1900 United States Federal Census for Chicago Ward 27, Cook, IL:
Olaf A Alseng, 15 (born Apr 1885)
1910 United States Federal Census for Chicago Ward 27, Cook, IL:
O Arthur Olseng (born abt 1882)
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Edited by - jwiborg on 08/09/2008 00:02:23 |
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