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Alan King
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 Posted - 26/09/2008 : 08:17:41
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My wife's ggrandfather was Hans Olaf Hansen, Master Mariner, believed to have been lost at sea on the SS Signe, 1898 between Santos and Bahia Blanca. Can anybody please advise where I might follow this up or look for any records. Any help appreciated.
Alan,
Perth western Australia. |
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 27/09/2008 : 15:26:58
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| There was a sailing ship by the name SIGNE (ex British ship DUKE OF ARGYLL). She is listed in the in a database created by Malmstein, and presented by the Norwegian Maritime Museum. It gives the name of the captain as H. O. Hansen 1896-1903. From where do you have the information saying he was lost at sea in 1898? The register lists the name of a new captain in 1898, Johannesen, so the information is contradicting. (http://www.norsk-sjofartsmuseum.no/malmstein/popupresultat.php?id=8747&lang=1) If you provide more details it will perhaps be possible to find more info for you. |
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Alan King
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 28/09/2008 : 04:11:34
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Hi Borge,
Thanks for the reply here is some more information.
Information was advised to us from family sources of which we now have no access to. In the 1900 census the 1st 2 sons, Jorg (George) Henry Hansen b. 5 August 1885 and (Andreas) Barth Thom Hansen b 21 December 1886 were fostered out to Fredik & Ingeborg Finsen at Lofterod & Skjerve Nedre and daughter Dina Johanne Hansen b 15 October 1890 to her Uncle Hans Peter Hansen (she refers to his son Jens Jorgen Hansen as her brother in 1905 when arriving in America for the first time to stay with him and Peter and his wife Samueline Margrethe (Mary) Pedersen as her parents). Wife, Ottilie Andersen Olafsen we cannot trace but believe may have been a housekeeper in Christiana. George went to America and Barth to Australia,(my wife's grandfather). Maybe too much information but hope it helps to trace what happened to (Hans) Olaf Hansen.
Alan King. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/09/2008 : 08:22:37
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Chances are that your Hans Olaf (Oluf) Hansen is the one who died March 10 1898, see second #9
he was Skipsfører, gift (fraskilt) Master Mariner, married (divorced).
(Just a small correction, if it matters, Jorg Henry was born Aug 8, not 5, see #73)
Also wondering if you knew that Hans Olaf Hansen had been married before when he married Ottilie Olafsen, see #2
His first wife Clara Richardine Kristensen died at childbirth Nov 23 1882 in Stokke only 20 years old. They were married May 19 1882.
He was actually baptized Hans Olof, see #126
Ottilie could be #2680
born in Tønsberg 1866 - should have been 1865 - now living with husband? Sigurd M. Hansen.
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Edited by - eibache on 28/09/2008 10:56:29 |
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 28/09/2008 : 09:14:40
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Originally posted by eibache
Chances are that your Hans Olaf (Oluf) Hansen is the one who died March 10 1898, see second #9
he was Skipsfører, gift (fraskilt) Master Mariner, married (divorced).
Yes, that must be him, it says in column 12 (at the far right) that he died aboard the sailing ship Signe from Stavanger, so it confirms the story. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/09/2008 : 09:44:51
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Thank you Børge, I did not read it all, .it also says that the cause of death was cancer. It is also worth noting that he was not burried on land, no dates are given |
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 29/09/2008 05:38:14 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/09/2008 : 11:10:40
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The baptismal record for Otilie is #163
should actually have been Otilie Andreasdatter since the father was Andreas Edvard Olaussen, or she should have had the last name Olaussen not Olafsen, when using the fathers last name. The confirmation record however says Ottilie Olafsen.
Her mother was Barbra Sybille Didricksdatter.
this is the family in 1865
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Edited by - eibache on 28/09/2008 11:20:17 |
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Alan King
Medium member
Australia
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Posted - 28/09/2008 : 12:27:45
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Thank you, thank you for all your information. Suddenly all the family oral traditions have become fact and confirmed what we had long suspected.
Could we further impose on your resources. We have a photo of Ottilie (sent to her son Barth). On the back is a message written to Barth, presumably in response for a request for a photo of his mother. The message is written in Norwegian, but the Consulate here translated it for us. The writer is an Agnes, who refers to Ottilie as Mother. Agnes also refers to a Marthe, daughter of Ottilie.
Until we had the photo translated we had no idea of the existence of either Agnes or Marthe. The pnoto is dated May 1939, in Oslo. Is there any way of tracing either Agnes or Marthe, or where would we find the death of Ottilie?
Thank you all again this has just been fabulous and furthered our family researchs by leaps and bounds.
Alan (and a very excited wife) Jillian nee Hansen |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/09/2008 : 14:26:41
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| Seems like Ottilie at the 1900 census in Oslo may be the right one, the two daugters must have been born after 1900. Unfortunately Oslo is a demanding area to search in - many parishes is a challenge. Need time to do some work on this. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/09/2008 : 16:55:36
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Sigurd Magnus Hansen and Ottilie Hansen married Sept 30 1899 in the Johannes parish in Oslo, see #145
he was a longshoreman born in Kristiania (Oslo) in 1875
Have not found Agnes or Marthe, the text and other info on the photo could be of help. |
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 28/09/2008 22:30:12 |
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Borge
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Posted - 28/09/2008 : 23:59:08
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Originally posted by eibache
Thank you Børge, I did not read it all, it also says that the cause of death was cancer. It is also worth noting that he was not burried on land, no dates are given.
I am not sure that was a repeat sign used in the church record is indicating the cause of death. It could also be a way to indicate that the information was missing. It looks like that is the case in some other places.
I see a note saying "I Montevideo" (in Montevideo) noted beneath where the date for the burial was supposed to be noted in column 3. I have found records saying the the Sgine mastered by capt. Hansen departed Santos for Bahia Blanca on February the 26th. On March 9th the ship arrived Montevideo from Santos. On March 14th the Signe was reported ready to depart from Montevideo mastered by Johannesen, destination Dalhousie. There was a warning in the newspaper saying that there was Yellow Fever in Santos. |
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eibache
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Posted - 29/09/2008 : 07:00:46
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The baptismal record for Otilies father Andreas Edvard is #35
he was born Nov 12 1840 and baptized July 11 1841. His parents were seaman Olawus Amundsen and Ingeborg Marie Andersdatter.
Otilies parents were married Dec 30 1861, see #52
Andreas was first mate then.
The baptismal record for Otilies mother Barbro Sybille is #41
she was born Aug 12 1827 and the baptism at home the same day was confirmed in church on Sept 2. (she was older than recorded in the 1865 census, she was 39 years then, not 35 and when they married she was 34, not 32 years old.)
Her parents were Didrick Andersen Storebugt and Anne Marcusdatter.
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Edited by - eibache on 29/09/2008 09:09:17 |
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Alan King
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Posted - 29/09/2008 : 07:22:05
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Once again thanks for all the information. Re the photograph of Ottilie and Agnes, this is with another cousin, we will get intouch with him and find exactly whats written. Thanks again to all.
Alan. |
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eibache
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Posted - 29/09/2008 : 09:21:17
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Diderich Andersen and Anne Marcusdatter married Aug 9 1820, see #16
he was a seaman and 33 years old, she was a widow and 31 years old. They had been granted a royal permission, dated Stockholm April 25 1820, to marry - normally neccessary due to kindship.
Anne Marcusdatter was born 1789 and baptized April 21, see second from top on left page
her parents were Marcus Powlsen and Barbro Eliasdatter, the family in 1801
Didrich was baptized April 18 1788, see right hand page here
his parents were Anders Ditmansen and Tolline (Thorine?) Rasmusdatter, the family in 1801
Anders Ditmansens first wife was Marthe Sophie Hansdatter. |
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Edited by - eibache on 30/09/2008 13:43:20 |
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eibache
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Posted - 29/09/2008 : 17:28:43
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This is the baptismal record for Hans Olof Hansens father Jens Jørgen Hansen, see #29
he was born April 28 1821 and baptized May 10. His parents were Hans Hansen Grøterød and Margrethe Hansdatter.
Jens Jørgen Hansen Grøterød was 28 years old when he Nov 22 1849 married Helene Andrea Olsen (could just as well have been Hansdatter which was the case in 1865) who was 22 years. Her father was Hans Olsen.
Jens Jørgen = Jorgen Hansen and Helene A Hansdatter with their children in 1865
Helene Andrea was born Nov 27 1826 and baptized Dec 3. Her father was Skipper Hans Olsen Skougen and her mother was Berthe Andrea Larsdatter.
First mate Hans Olsen 34 years old and shopkeepers daughter Berthe Andrea Larsdatter 20 years old married Jan 5 1821, see #14
Hans Olsen, his parents and siblings in 1801
and Berthe Andrea 1 year and her parents in 1801
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Edited by - eibache on 29/09/2008 18:15:46 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/09/2008 : 20:11:42
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According to the census 1801 Ole Evensen and Anne Jørgensdatter were the parents of Hans Olsen (14 and twin) - they were married Febr 3 1786, see bottom of right hand page
The widower Ole Evensen (Maren Poulsdatter was his first wife) came from Houkemyr and the widow Anne Jørgensen from Skougen. (Hans Olsen was her first husband)
Anne Jørgensen was born in 1752 and baptized Oct 24, see 6th from top, left hand page, her parents were Jørgen Eliasen and Marthe Andersdatter, Sevig.
Ole Evensen was born 1754 and baptized Oct 3, see 6th from top right hand page, his parents were Even Olsen and An? Andersdatter, Glumsteen.
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Edited by - eibache on 30/09/2008 13:17:30 |
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