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Dale Nelson
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 Posted - 01/01/2009 : 19:26:09
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eibache,
Sorry, the two Peder Pedersen Bergs I am scratching my head about is the one you have in the 1801 census born in 1800 and the one born to Peder Pedersen Berg & Berthe Aasuldsdtr. on 17 Dec. 1800 and christened on 26 Dec. 1800.
The young Niels Pedersen Berg in the 1801 census (born 6 Apr. 1799 & christened 14 Apr. 1799) was buried 13 Oct. 1801 (2yrs.-6mos.). My Niels Pedersen Berg was born on 18 Feb. 1803 (christened 27 Feb. 1803) and I think the one in your confirmation record.
Its confusing and I am glad I have the chance to have someone else look at the family to make sure I'm not in error.
I have not seen the Spisholdt family records you found, but am aware of her four brothers that emigrated to America.
KÅRE
I was not aware that Hans owned the farm. In the 1865 census he was living in Drammen with the Bache family who were staunch Haugenist and helped pay for the construction of the church in the Muskego settlement (this church is thought to be the first Norweigen church in America).
It may take me a bit to absorb what you sent.
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Dale Nelson
Starting member
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Posted - 01/01/2009 : 19:46:46
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KÅRE,
I have another mystery I was wondering if you could help me with. I found the following reference (not sure where on the web) about my ancestor Ole Pedersen Berg (from the Kortvedt farm in Eiker). We have lost the knowledge of the Norwegian language with the passing of my fathers generation, but it seems to indicate he owned the farms in the reference...can that be? I thought farmer ownership during that period was rare.
Dale
Ole Pedersen Berg var antagelig den rikeste bonden på Eiker i sin tid. Han var eier av følgende gårder: Kortvedt, Berg, Foterud, Vollstad, Kirkeås, Horgen og Søndre Mosnes. I perioden 1711 til 1720 var han en av de største kjørselforpaktere ved Kongsberg Sølvverk, og i dette tiåret hadde han inntekter av dette som beløp seg til ca. 2500 riksdaler. Skiftet som ble avholdt på Berg i april 1741 forteller om uvanlig stor rikdom. På gården sto det 25 hus, foruten flere utløer |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/01/2009 : 21:08:28
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Hi,
Kortvedt is close to Kjennerud, about 15 minutes to walk.
Ole Pedersen Berg was likley the richest farmer on Eiker in his time. He owned following farms: Kortvedt, Berg, Foterud, Vollstad, Kirkeås, Horgen and Søndre (Southern) Mosnes. From 1711-1720 he was the most important "kjørselforpakter" for the silver campany, Kongsberg Sølvverk, and in this 10 years period his income from this was about 2500 Riksdaler. The probate register after him kept on berg April 1741 tell about an unusual wealth. On the farm it was 25 houses, in addition to that several barns in the outfield.
Kjørselforpakter, the word dont exist today.
I think he made a transport contrakt with the Silver mine Company, so he must have owned or had disposel to many horses.
I´ll sheck if that is correct.
Sorry for confusing you.
The information from 1862 published in Sandsværs Historie volume VIII page 487 is coming from documents kept in the archives in Kongsberg and found by the author, a careful person.
Could Hans Petter have bought Kjennerud in 1862 but it was cultivated by his parents/siblings. He sold to his mother when he emigrated 1971 so it seems like he owned Kjennerud.
The 1873 deed (property" had as head line "kongelig" skjøte 1873 - royal deed (property) 1873.
Kåre
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Dale Nelson
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Posted - 01/01/2009 : 21:48:58
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Thanks Kåre,
Do you know if that probate register still exists?
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/01/2009 : 22:41:45
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Yes it does, but not online Dale.
It´s kept in Statsarkivet Kongsberg.
In about 5 years if I remember right all probate registres will be online.
Some municipalities are alredy, based on volunteers from historian assosiations.
Here is Kjennerud in Kongsberg parish 1865, Niels Pedersen "Gaardeier" owner of farm.
Anne Hansdatters mother Ingeborg Nilsdatter lived on the farm.
If the sale wasn´t pubished before 1873....
In 1810 Kjennerud was owned by Johan Caspar Herman Wesel-Jarlsberg, County Governour in Buskerud and sold to Junker Henrich Wilhelm Tillish at Kongsberg Sølvverk in 1815.
None of them lived on Kjennerud.
Kåre
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/01/2009 : 23:23:08
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I have not seen the Spisholdt family records you found, but am aware of her four brothers that emigrated to America.
Do you refer to Haagen Pedersen born in Sandsvær May 17 1810, bapt May 20, the parents being Peder Haagensen Aass and Aase Marie Poulsdatter?
Peder Haagensen Krækling and Aase Marie Poulsdatter Stablum married Oct 18 1803, see top of left hand page
Peder Haagensen with his brother in 1801
Aase Marie Poulsdatter with her parents and a brother in 1801
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Dale Nelson
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Posted - 01/01/2009 : 23:53:51
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Marianne Haagensdatters (born May 17 1848) had four brothers that emigrated to America.
Peder Haagensen (“Hagen”) Spisholt to Wisconsin in 1866.
Thore Haagensen Spisholt to Chicago, Illinois in 1869.
Hans Peter Haagensen ("Haukson") Spisholt to Wisconsin in 1869.
Anun Haagensen Spisholt also to Wisconsin. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/01/2009 : 00:33:52
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Kjørselforpakter
Kjørsel is an old expression for transport and forpakte means to lease.
Ole Berg had a contract in the transport business for Kongsberg Sølvverk
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Edited by - Kåarto on 02/01/2009 00:37:07 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/01/2009 : 10:17:04
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Marianne Haagensdatters (born May 17 1848) had four brothers that emigrated to America.
Peder Haagensen (“Hagen”) Spisholt to Wisconsin in 1866.
Thore Haagensen Spisholt to Chicago, Illinois in 1869.
Hans Peter Haagensen ("Haukson") Spisholt to Wisconsin in 1869.
Anun Haagensen Spisholt also to Wisconsin.
Go to Top of Page
Parents and siblings in 1865
Parents Haagen Pedersen Aas and Maren Karine Torstensdatter, Wolden married June 17 1833, see #14
Peder Haagensen, born March 30 1835 see #22.
Thore Haagensen, born July 18 1839 see #54.
Hans Peter Haagensen, born Febr 27 1846, see #81.
Anun Haagensen, born April 2 1857, see #170 |
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Dale Nelson
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Posted - 02/01/2009 : 13:45:52
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Thank you, eibache & Kåre for the helpful information. The site has been a fantastic resource.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/01/2009 : 17:07:36
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A curiosity,
I wisited my MIL in Hokksund today, she lived on Spisholt from 1947-57, my wife lived there from 1950-57.
Spisholt is almost a neighbor farm to Kjennerud and Krekling is about a 10 minutes walk.
Peder Haagensen Krekling, d. 1822 married to Åse Marie Pålsdatter Stablum d. 1860, bought Aas in Sandsvær from Peder Anundsen for 2100 Riksdaler in 1802. Åse married 2. time as a farmer in 1825 to Anund Olsen Såtvedt 1797-1855.
The son Hågen Pedersen takes ower Aas before he married Maren Thorstesdatter Volden in 1833, he sold the farm to his brother Paul Pedersen,1816-93, in 1842 when he settled down on Spisholt, see 1865 census abowe.
Paul Pedersen Aas was a welknown fiddler in Sandsvær, in 1844 he married Anne Sofie Kristiansdatter Oppjorda, 6 children, oldest son Hans Martin Paulsen Aas born1845 take over the farm in 1880, he married Bredine Marie Anundsdatter 1846-1902 in 1868, owner in 1891 when he takes over farm Gunnes in Sandsvær, his son Anmund born 1882 take ower Gunnes in 1902 and this family still live there.
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howellksd
Junior member
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Posted - 21/01/2009 : 04:36:25
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Originally posted by Dale Nelson
Hi Shari,
I think we may have a common ancestor, if you are a decendent of Mari Hansdatter Hals who was the daughter of Hans Nielsen Hals (1780-1854) & Ingebor Nielsdatter Wigen (1781-1849). My records show Mari born on 24 sep. 1814 (bap. 16 oct. 1814) & married to Johannes Pedersen Vendelborg on 3 dec. 1840.
Anne Hansdatter Hals (1811-1892) was my g-g-grandmother and older sister to the Mari above. Anne was married to Niels Pedersen Berg (later of the Spærren and Kjennerud farms). I am decendent of their son Hans Petter Nielsen Kjennerud who came to America in 1871. Hans & his wife (Charlotte) settled in Wisconsin for a time than moved to farm near Starbuck, Minnesota.
Let me know if you think they are the same Mari.
Dale
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howellksd
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Posted - 21/01/2009 : 04:39:24
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Hi Dale- I had to take some time off the genealogy work and have now just read your post. Yes, I do think we have a common ancestor. I need to review my notes some more, but know that my ancestors settled in Minneapolis. We'll keep in touch! Shari
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Originally posted by Dale Nelson
Hi Shari,
I think we may have a common ancestor, if you are a decendent of Mari Hansdatter Hals who was the daughter of Hans Nielsen Hals (1780-1854) & Ingebor Nielsdatter Wigen (1781-1849). My records show Mari born on 24 sep. 1814 (bap. 16 oct. 1814) & married to Johannes Pedersen Vendelborg on 3 dec. 1840.
Anne Hansdatter Hals (1811-1892) was my g-g-grandmother and older sister to the Mari above. Anne was married to Niels Pedersen Berg (later of the Spærren and Kjennerud farms). I am decendent of their son Hans Petter Nielsen Kjennerud who came to America in 1871. Hans & his wife (Charlotte) settled in Wisconsin for a time than moved to farm near Starbuck, Minnesota.
Let me know if you think they are the same Mari.
Dale
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howellksd
Junior member
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Posted - 12/03/2009 : 05:45:32
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Hello again!
I've been digging into US and Minnesota Census records for Hans and Laura Holt. I've managed to get to their 4 sons who emigrated with them in 1883 to the next earliest census- 1885. However, Hans and Laura are not listed with them until 1890. Instead, the names are Andrew and Mary Holthe. Due to the very poor writing quality of the census, I can only figure out that Andrew was in his 40s and Mary was in her 20s, but nothing more.
I can't seem to make a connection between Andrew and Mary Holt and Hans and Laura Holt. Can you find any records indicating a possible relationship? Thanks again! Shari |
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howellksd
Junior member
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Posted - 13/03/2009 : 02:54:45
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Hi Käre,
I know you sent a reply to my post from yesterday, but for some reason, it did not appear on this page. Would you please send it again?
Thank you! Shari |
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Hans P and Laura Langum Holthe
