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Holly
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 Posted - 03/12/2008 : 19:18:57
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From the DB, Døypte i Hafslo 1717-1894 (eigar Luster kommune)
101 Karen 1721.02.07 f e Christopher Ludvigsen Munthe Sognepræst
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Right side, little more than halfway down. My daughter?
155 Karen 1722.04.22 f e Christopher Ludvigsen Munthe Sognepræst
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Right side, little less than halfway down.
Is the transcriber making things up or is there something in these records that I'm just not seeing?
Here's another one...
261 Maria 1724.08.24 f e Christopher Ludvigsen Munthe Sognepræst
Right side
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eibache
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Posted - 03/12/2008 : 19:49:23
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The first record says "7 Febr døpt min Datter Karen ..." Minister Christopher Ludvigsen Munthe baptized his daughter Karen.
The second record says that Hr Cristen Heyberg (Christen Heiberg (1692 - 1747) was minister in Sogndal from 1713) baptized his daughter Karen, the one that was batized in 1721 must have died.
The third record is for the twins Gert and Maria.
Christopher Ludvigsen Munthe and his family see here
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Holly
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Posted - 03/12/2008 : 20:02:14
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| Thanks. So, it does say "my daughter". After I did the edit, adding Maria, I noticed the record was for twins. |
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Holly
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Posted - 03/12/2008 : 20:31:00
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Originally posted by eibache
The first record says "7 Febr døpt min Datter Karen ..." Minister Christopher Ludvigsen Munthe baptized his daughter Karen.
The second record says that Hr Cristen Heyberg (Christen Heiberg (1692 - 1747) was minister in Sogndal from 1713) baptized his daughter Karen, the one that was batized in 1721 must have died.
The third record is for the twins Gert and Maria.
Christopher Ludvigsen Munthe and his family see here
There are a ton of Databases with the "Munthe" families. Norway's national archives has a scanned book of the early Bishops of Bergen & their families, including Ludvig Hansen Munthe.
The 2nd Karen was one of my G+Grandmothers, so I'm trying to include citations to whatever original sources that I can find. I figure it's better to do that than replicate other people's work, including any errors someone's made along the line. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 03/12/2008 : 22:04:17
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You are right, there are tons of information about the Munthe family.
Your Karen had 5 younger siblings, Gert and Maria found, Gerhard bap. March 24. 1726, Maria bap. Sept. 14. 1727 and Anna bap. Nov. 7. 1728.
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Holly
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Posted - 03/12/2008 : 22:54:13
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Originally posted by Kåarto
You are right, there are tons of information about the Munthe family.
Your Karen had 5 younger siblings, Gert and Maria found, Gerhard bap. March 24. 1726, Maria bap. Sept. 14. 1727 and Anna bap. Nov. 7. 1728.
Kåre
She also had a couple of older siblings.
I'm in the process of trying to track down the oldest, Margrete Marie. Sources say she was baptised in 1714 or 1716, possibly Leikanger Parish.
There were also brothers
Ludvig bp 21 Dec 1717 Hafslo &
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Jens bp 4 Apr 1719 Hafslo
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Kåarto
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Posted - 04/12/2008 : 00:04:44
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If Margrete Christophersdatter Munthe was born 1716 you will not find her since the church records start 1717.
Margrethe married in Haslo church to Hans S (Schrueder) Leganger August 3. 1739, right page 16 & 17 line from bottom, she died in Eidsvold municipality in eastern Norway Nov. 1773, right page last column 1773 #5 from top as:
Fru ? Margrethe Munthe Leganger age 57 1/2.
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Holly
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Posted - 04/12/2008 : 01:09:19
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Originally posted by Kåarto
If Margrete Christophersdatter Munthe was born 1716 you will not find her since the church records start 1717.
Margrethe married in Haslo church to Hans S (Schrueder) Leganger August 3. 1739, right page 16 & 17 line from bottom, she died in Eidsvold municipality in eastern Norway Nov. 1773, right page last column 1773 #5 from top as:
Fru ? Margrethe Munthe Leganger age 57 1/2.
Kåre
Wow, thanks! I either need better eyes or a new mouse with a working right button, so I can copy that file & make it bigger.
I knew that Hafslo didn't begin until 1717. Sources say that Christoffer Ludvigs & Christine Jensdtr Ørbech married 24 Jul 1715 & she was from Leikanger Parish. Marriages usually were recorded in the parish of the wife, so I was looking for the marriage & first child in the parish that made sense & also starts much earlier than Hafslo. Leikanger starts in 1690. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 04/12/2008 : 10:44:54
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Karen Munthe born 1722 married at age 14 in Hafslo to Claus Monsen Rumor Oct. 4. 1736, engagement on Oct. 2., right page line 4&5 from bottom:
Monsen Claus Rumor and Madam Karen Christophersdatter Munthe.
Information tells (not found) she died when her daughter Karen Munthe Rumor was born Oct. 6. 1736 in Lærdal parish in Sogn og Fjordane, she died in Lærdal Hafslo on farm Moen 1824, age 89.
Hans Schrøder Leganger was vicar in Eidsvoll, he died August 12. 1780 so the ? in Margrethe Marie Munthes death record was likely "Fru Sogneprest" Mrs Vikar.
They got 3 children born in Eidsvoll:
- Christopher Munthe Leganger Sept. 5. 1742- August 9. 1816, vicar in Eidsvoll in the 1801 census, married, two daughters and a son.
- Eric Leganer 1744-1821, vicar in Stange, Hedmark county in 1801, married, a son Christian age 13.
- Karen Lind Leganger b. April 17.1748- buried. Sept. 16. 1748.
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Holly
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Posted - 04/12/2008 : 17:07:33
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Karen Munthe born 1722 married at age 14 in Hafslo to Claus Monsen Rumor Oct. 4. 1736, engagement on Oct. 2., right page line 4&5 from bottom:
Monsen Claus Rumor and Madam Karen Christophersdatter Munthe.
Information tells (not found) she died when her daughter Karen Munthe Rumor was born Oct. 6. 1736 in Lærdal parish in Sogn og Fjordane, she died in Lærdal 1824, age 88.
Mons Claus Rumohr (Jansen) died 23 Jan 1758 at Rikheim, buried 30 Jan 1758 Lærdal Parish.
Ministerialbok nr. A 2 (1752-1782), Døde og begravede 1757-1759, side 242.
Karen died 29 August & was buried 7 Sep, 1824. Take note of what I said early about trusting other people's work. All of the databases say she died in Lærdal.
Here it is in Hafslo Parish.
Gaard ? enken Cassie Reutz, age 89 from Moe. She was at Moe in the 1801 census it's also where her probate says.
Her husband, Adam Reutz was buried 19 Mar 1792, again at Hafslo.
(1755-1806), Chronological list 1792, page 203
It's been awhile since I found it. I think it says he was 70 yrs old.
Twelve chidren were born to them. There is a claim that the oldest isn't really Adam's. There's no way to know. I've found the sources for all except the first two. Child 3 & 4 were in Luster & all of the later ones were in Hafslo. |
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eibache
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Posted - 04/12/2008 : 20:08:07
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Hans Schrøder Leganger was vicar in Eidsvoll, he died August 12. 1780 so the ? in Margrethe Marie Munthes death record was likely "Fru Sogneprest" Mrs Vikar.
it reads "Fru Præstinde Margr Munthe Leganger, 571/2 Aar gl"
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Gaard ? enken Cassie Reutz, age 89 from Moe. She was at Moe in the 1801 census it's also where her probate says.
it reads "Gaardmandsenke Cassie Reutz . . " - farmers widow Cassie Reutz . . .
For clarification, "16 October grawf. Karen Christophersdatter Munthe 14 Aar 6 Maaneder og 2 Dage gl." was burried in 1736, see lower part of left column
her marriage to Claus Rumor was Oct 4 1735.
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Karen died 29 August & was buried 7 Sep, 1824. Take note of what I said early about trusting other people's work. All of the databases say she died in Lærdal.
she was 89 years old when she died, she should have been born in 1735 then, and must have been the daughter of Karen Christophersdatter Munthe and Claus Johansen Rumohr. LDS record says she was born Oct 6 1736 in Lærdal.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 04/12/2008 : 21:28:23
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Family trees online can be full of surprises and mistakes, wrong names, dates etc. so take it sometimes with a pinch of salt.
You seems to have great knowledge to this family.
I have seen Christopher Ludvigsen Munthes father Ludvig Munthe mentioned as Ludvig Morgenstjerne or "Munthe af Morgenstjerne" by earnest genealogists, it looks like his father was born Morgenstjerne and his mother born Munthe and the family "von Munthe av Morgenstjerne" was ennobled by Letters patent in 1755 by Bredo Munthe d. 1757, here almost down page
Morgenstjerne (Morning star) refer to this weapon, a Morgenstjerne
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Holly
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Posted - 04/12/2008 : 22:03:59
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Originally posted by eibache
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Gaard ? enken Cassie Reutz, age 89 from Moe. She was at Moe in the 1801 census it's also where her probate says.
it reads "Gaardmandsenke Cassie Reutz . . " - farmers widow Cassie Reutz . . .
For clarification, "16 October grawf. Karen Christophersdatter Munthe 14 Aar 6 Maaneder og 2 Dage gl." was burried in 1736, see lower part of left column
her marriage to Claus Rumor was Oct 4 1735.
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Originally posted by eibache
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Karen died 29 August & was buried 7 Sep, 1824. Take note of what I said early about trusting other people's work. All of the databases say she died in Lærdal.
she was 89 years old when she died, she was born in 1735 then and must have been the daughter of Karen Christophersdatter Munthe and Claus Johansen Rumohr.
Lærdal Parish, end of 1734
Left page, right side, half way down... tell me that I'm not imagining things...
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Holly
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Posted - 04/12/2008 : 23:21:36
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Family trees online can be full of surprises and mistakes, wrong names, dates etc. so take it sometimes with a pinch of salt.
Right & oft times genealogy books are the source for the errors, so the errors get replicated again & again. I use online databases as outlines, but there's nothing like original sources to cut the wheat from the chaff.
It would be easy to fill up my db with all of the info online, but I'm taking my time & trying to get the sources & cross sources for people. I said it before, priests & soldiers, with surnames. The surnames make searches more complicated, because you never know how they're going to be put into the databases.
I sometimes think that http://www.sffarkiv.no/sffbasar/ is ready to block my ISP, because of the number of hours that I've parked there. lol The 1701 census, the will transcripts & the ability to look for baptisms by date ranges are priceless.
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Originally posted by KåartoYou seems to have great knowledge to this family.
I've been looking at a lot of SF sources for better than a year. I don't know if you remember when I was collecting baptismal sponsors, but I cross reference them to people in my database. I'm working myself up for looking up the links again for another batch to ask for help again. 
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Originally posted by KåartoI have seen Christopher Ludvigsen Munthes father Ludvig Munthe mentioned as Ludvig Morgenstjerne or "Munthe af Morgenstjerne" by earnest genealogists, it looks like his father was born Morgenstjerne and his mother born Munthe and the family "von Munthe av Morgenstjerne" was ennobled by Letters patent in 1755 by Bredo Munthe d. 1757,
I've seen that too.
Etterkommere av Ludvig Munthe
(1593 - 1649)
Oslo 7/12-95
Sverre Munthe
Haraldsvei 9
1450 Nesoddtangen
I also did the wiki search on Munthe & knew about Bredo... different line than mine, I think.
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Originally posted by Kåarto
here almost down page
Morgenstjerne (Morning star) refer to this weapon, a Morgenstjerne
Funny you should mention that, as I just told one of my sons about that within the past week! |
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eibache
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Posted - 05/12/2008 : 06:58:15
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? Tongums ? 16 ? ?
Claus uegt barn og ???
it is a summing up of the number of birth, marriages etc. in the individual subparishes.
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Information tells (not found) she died when her daughter Karen Munthe Rumor was born Oct. 6. 1736 in Lærdal parish in Sogn og Fjordane, she died in Lærdal 1824, age 88.
they are not the same Karen
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For clarification, "16 October grawf. Karen Christophersdatter Munthe 14 Aar 6 Maaneder og 2 Dage gl." was burried in 1736, see lower part of left column
her marriage to Claus Rumor was Oct 4 1735.
the information was right then. |
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Edited by - eibache on 05/12/2008 07:06:00 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/12/2008 : 10:46:33
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She is Einar.
Karen Christophersdatter Munthe was buried at Tønjum stavechurch (taken down) in Lærdal on Oct. 16. 1736, 14 years 6 months and 2 days old, left columm about 2/3 down
Lærdal parish is south-east in the county, only the portal from the entry in Tønjum church is kept.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 05/12/2008 10:55:09 |
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