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Allan WilsonJP
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Australia
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 Posted - 07/02/2009 : 12:35:34
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Can anyone help I am still chasing information regarding ships to Australia! I have also another problem with two names!
The following is the information that I have,
Thomas Olsen Homlstad sailed on Bark Nomen 1886 born/came from? Vang Hedemarken.
Thomas Olsen passenger Bark Nomen 1886? Residence Vang.
Both of the above we listed as "Age Adult"? What does this mean?
The next was Thomas Olsen Thostad age 21 Bark Kong Sverre 1871. Resedence Vang (farmer)
Can you tell me how I can find out if there is a connection between them?
How do I find out if the Ships named came to Australia OR went somewhere elese? Also were they owned by the Olsen Family members before Fredrik Olsen started the "Olsen Line" in 1886?
ANY Help woud be Appreciated!
Regards to All,
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/02/2009 : 14:28:30
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"Age Adult" is in English and seems obvious. A person who is no longer a child and is not listed therein with any more detailed information about their age. You'll have to consider the source of the information you are holding. How reliable and accurate is it in comparison to primary documents which might still exist?
There is no relationship which can be guessed between three similar names and such limited data supposedly from the same district in Norway. You could research in the records of Vang district of Hedmark, Norway to learn more about each and therefore possibly find any relationship.
First learn the basics about Norwegian names and research methods for such a purpose -
Getting started with Norwegian research
Australia must have kept records of passengers arriving on ships in their various harbors. Have you looked for whether they kept lists of ships and/or passengers from Norway?
You can go through the outgoing emigration records of the various Norwegian ports of departure (there were 17-19 such ports at various time periods - but for persons coming from Vang, Hedmark I would think that Oslo/Kristiania might be logical to check FIRST) and search for Australia or names of various Australian destinations if given by emigrants leaving from those ports. Keep in mind that many of these destination names can be "creatively" spelled. Most of those records have been extracted and turned into electronic databases that you can freely search through the Digitalarkivet website. Study 'How-To' use the Digitalarkivet databases here -
Tips on Using the Digitalarkivet
If ownership of an individual ship is known at this website you will find it listed in the description of the ship and it's history as you use the search function for ship's names from the home page here. (Notice toward the upper left part of the window.) If no owner(s) are listed then obviously none are known here and you'll have to turn to other resources. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/02/2009 : 15:46:33
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The next was Thomas Olsen Thostad age 21 Bark Kong Sverre 1871. Resedence Vang (farmer)
I believe this could be Thomes Olsen born Sept 5 1849, see #74
he was an "uægte" child, his father was Ole Andersen from Slidre in Valdres, Oppland. His mother was Ingeborg Thomesdatter, Tørstad, Vang in Oppland.
Tørstad = Torstad (Thostad)
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Allan WilsonJP
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 08/02/2009 : 08:07:21
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Originally posted by eibache
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The next was Thomas Olsen Thostad age 21 Bark Kong Sverre 1871. Resedence Vang (farmer)
I believe this could be Thomes Olsen born Sept 5 1849, see #74
he was an "uægte" child, his father was Ole Andersen from Slidre in Valdres, Oppland. His mother was Ingeborg Thomesdatter, Tørstad, Vang in Oppland.
Tørstad = Torstad (Thostad)
Elbache ,
Many THANKS for your reply! Where did you get the records??? Can you please copy them in paper form and send them to me?
Regards,
Allan Wilson JP |
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Allan WilsonJP
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 08/02/2009 : 08:28:36
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Originally posted by Hopkins
"Age Adult" is in English and seems obvious. A person who is no longer a child and is not listed therein with any more detailed information about their age. You'll have to consider the source of the information you are holding. How reliable and accurate is it in comparison to primary documents which might still exist?
There is no relationship which can be guessed between three similar names and such limited data supposedly from the same district in Norway. You could research in the records of Vang district of Hedmark, Norway to learn more about each and therefore possibly find any relationship.
First learn the basics about Norwegian names and research methods for such a purpose -
Getting started with Norwegian research
Australia must have kept records of passengers arriving on ships in their various harbors. Have you looked for whether they kept lists of ships and/or passengers from Norway?
You can go through the outgoing emigration records of the various Norwegian ports of departure (there were 17-19 such ports at various time periods - but for persons coming from Vang, Hedmark I would think that Oslo/Kristiania might be logical to check FIRST) and search for Australia or names of various Australian destinations if given by emigrants leaving from those ports. Keep in mind that many of these destination names can be "creatively" spelled. Most of those records have been extracted and turned into electronic databases that you can freely search through the Digitalarkivet website. Study 'How-To' use the Digitalarkivet databases here -
Tips on Using the Digitalarkivet
If ownership of an individual ship is known at this website you will find it listed in the description of the ship and it's history as you use the search function for ship's names from the home page here. (Notice toward the upper left part of the window.) If no owner(s) are listed then obviously none are known here and you'll have to turn to other resources.
Hoppy,
Many THANKS for your reply.
Yes Australia does have lists !However most of the information only include teh ones that arrived in Adelaide and NOT the other ports ie' Port Piere/Port Agusta? The names here may not be spelt correctly!
I appreciate your time and effort to reply and I have tried the site thet you suggested BUT it does not give me the information to go backwards!
Again Thanks.
Where are you in the States?
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2009 : 08:34:55
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Sorry, the link was not right, this is the one #74
- please note that he could be the one, just a possibility since Vang is a parish in Oppland as well as in Hedmark.
I assume you can print it out now that the link is correct.
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Allan WilsonJP
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 08/02/2009 : 10:59:44
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Originally posted by eibache
Sorry, the link was not right, this is the one #74
- please note that he could be the one, just a possibility since Vang is a parish in Oppland as well as in Hedmark.
I assume you can print it out now that the link is correct.
Thank Eibache,
I did get into the page however is it possible to get a paper copy of it? How did you come across these records?
If you give can mail me at allan@ncable.com.au it would be appeciated
Many Regards,
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2009 : 11:08:58
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Asking someone in another country to mail you a copy is a bit extreme when you can print your own - if you can't ask a nearby teenager to help.
Most of the Norwegian parish church records are available online for any and all of us, including you. You can print as many copies of that page as you like - download it to a graphics program - etc. etc. etc. Norwegian parish records are among the very very basics for Norwegian genealogical research.
The Digitalarkivet web site has been adding scanned images of the original Norwegian parish church records for anyone with Internet access since November 2005.
The Digitalarkivet web site - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar
An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage.
The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage.
After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmål (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English.
Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version].
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html
When you've studied and used the instructions and been able to find a scanned page that you'd like to capture as a URL to share with someone else or save for your family history documentation - just copying the URL that your browser shows will NOT provide a working link.
Working direct links to the scanned images on the Digitalarkivet can be copied and pasted from the desired page from a display option available. At the top of the scanned image page is an option labeled "Bildeinformasjon:" [Norwegian version]/"Image Information"[English version] which is by default set to "Ingen" [Norwegian version]/"None" [English version]. Change that and magic is available. Of the three options I like "Øverst" [Norwegian version]/"On top" [English version] because it puts the additional information across the top of the page and is usually easier for me to see.
The first line "Kildeinformasjon:" [Norwegian version]/"Source information" [English version] is a really nice summary of the source of the information and is wonderful to have for making detailed source citations, footnotes, etc.
The second line "Permanent sidelenke:" [Norwegian version]/"Permanent pagelink" [English version] is the best line to capture if you want to save the exact URL location or share the actual scanned image and the source information. It allows the full capabilities for zooming in and out to best view the image and informs the recipient of the exact location, book and other details to be able to find WHERE you found the information.
The third line "Permanent bildelenke:" [Norwegian version]/"Permanent imagelink" [English version] is the best used to print a copy of the image or to save a copy of the image in a jpg format computer file. This line does NOT also capture the source information and therefore is NOT the best line to copy to share online when requesting help or assistance in deciphering the image found.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2009 : 11:21:07
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Hoppy,
Many THANKS for your reply.
Yes Australia does have lists !However most of the information only include teh ones that arrived in Adelaide and NOT the other ports ie' Port Piere/Port Agusta? The names here may not be spelt correctly!
I appreciate your time and effort to reply and I have tried the site thet you suggested BUT it does not give me the information to go backwards!
Again Thanks.
Where are you in the States?
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First - do not call me Hoppy.
Second - Norway does not have a centralized list of persons leaving for Australia or any of it's various ports - instead only the lists kept by the various Norwegian ports with such destination information as possibly given by individuals. So there is no master list for anyone to check for you.
If a Norwegian port kept lists of emigrants during 1886 (or whatever year you decide that should be) those would be included in the website I gave you. If they didn't keep lists -- then they do not exist.
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Allan WilsonJP
Starting member
Australia
11 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 07:06:03
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| I apologise if I offended you with the abbreviation of your name! First I am new to this game of looking for people! Second I do not have an understanding of the Norwegian language! Third I posted the mail address because Eibache provided information that I had not seen and wished to find out where it came from! Four the location was a general question as I travel to the states often! Nothing More! |
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Allan WilsonJP
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 11/02/2009 : 12:09:20
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Thant you for your posts regarding my questions! The sites that you provided and the other information were most helpfull. It is hard to assertain records from other Countries when your own does not have it even in the National Archives here! The Shipping Lists in South Australia only exist to 1845! But that is Only for Adelaide and Not the Other ports! It is also hard when your are attempting to find a person from a European Area if you do not know which area they may have come from? With the exception of the country!
If you have Any other tips that May help I would appreciate them! |
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