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Ray Syverson
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USA
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 Posted - 15/03/2009 : 17:13:05
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| My grt grt grandfather was Andreas Syversen, from the Skartlien farm near Torpa in Oppland. He was born in 1835, in Land, and by 1869-70 was in Chicago, Illinois as a machinist. I have been trying to find out just when he came to America but have had no luck so far. I think he was possibly still on the farm in 1863 when his father died because I found his name listed as being at a nieces baptism that year. I don't find him leaving the parrish. He had to train as a machinist or model maker at some place--I thought maybe Oslo, before coming to America.He was single until 1871. The closest possibily I have is Andreas Martin Syversen leaving Oslo in 1869 going to Milwaukee. However his age is wrong, the Martin makes no sense, and they have him down as a sailor or deckhand. So my question is: does anybody have any ideas where else to find out when he came over? Any clues will be deeply appreciated. Thanks. |
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 15/03/2009 : 20:19:54
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Ray,
Sometimes it helps to give more information. Here is the birth record for Andreas, born July 17, 1835. Parents are Syver Syversen and Ingeborg Marie Nilsd.
#151
I found a birth record for a younger brother Martinus, born nov 14, 1837.
No. 4 Lower half of page.
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Ray Syverson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 15/03/2009 : 21:53:40
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| Thank you Lester. Andreas also had two older brothers-- Nils,b1828, and Syver, b1830,and three sisters-Karen M., Anne M., and Oline M.The sister Oline apparently went to America in 1869( says in the farm book). Andreas was working his own machine shop in Chicago by 1870, not just working for someone, so it seems like he accomplished alot in a relatively short time. I don't know when he actually left the farm, so he may have started machinist work somewhere before 1863. When he came to America he very possibly went to Black Earth, Wisc. first because he had relatives and possibly friends who lived there. The girl he married was from Black Earth--Inger Amundsdtr, Rustebakke. The wedding,by the way, was in september 1871, one month before the great fire in Chicago. This is about all the additional information I could think to add. Ray |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/03/2009 : 00:12:13
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I have looked for Andreas Syversen in the 1865 census and the emigrtation record, he seems to have been forgotten in both records and it looks like both of his parntes died earlier than 1865.
Torpa or Torpen was a subparish in Nordsinni parish in Nordre Land, immigrants fom Land called themselves Landinger in USA.
There are historian books published about the people, farms, emigration etc. from Land, espesially the book "Boka om Land" started on about 1920, the author knew many of the emigrants or the families.
Eivind Sandager published a book in 1873, voloume IV bottom page abot the emigration from Nordre and Søndre Land from 1839-1915, see link below.
Perhaps the answere is there.
In this site owned by Land municipality about half way down on the front page on "Torpa B" shows the view from Skartlien againt Dokka population centre, no English edition, sorry.
In 1868 it was 7 emigrants from Skartlien, dep port Oslo, but no Andreas Syversten among them.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 16/03/2009 01:21:45 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/03/2009 : 00:53:01
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One "Oline Squertsdatter" (21) arrived New York on June 8th, 1869, sailing from Glasgow on the SS Britannia from the Anchor Line.
She is listed as swedish, but so are also the other passengers, alltough many of them have norwegian names. So the nationality might be a copy/paste transcription error.
Source: New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Oline Maria Syversdatter, born 26 Nov 1848 in Nordre Land, Oppland (#133).
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 16/03/2009 : 04:06:04
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Here are three of the siblings from the 1865 census. Karen,
Anne, and Marthinus.
#3257 Karen
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/03/2009 : 08:18:38
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Hi Ray,
There are a couple of US records which might be helpful to identify when Andreas came to America.
Naturalization records, the declaration of intention (1st papers) and the actual citizenship (2nd papers) might contain information on the port he came in and a date of arrival.
The US Federal census of 1900 asks the year of immigration and also what an individual's citizenship status is.
Andreas' obituary might also contain narrative of his trip, particularly if covered in the Norwegian language press. Skandinaven was such a paper and was printed in Chicago and the Illinois State Library has microfilm of it covering 1866-1910.
Churches sometimes have records of communicants, dates attended, etc. and if Andreas' church affiliation is known, looking at the godparents / sponsors in baptismal records of other people's children might reveal his name by a particular date. www.elca.org for Norwegian Lutheran churches.
Good Luck to you!
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/03/2009 : 09:05:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Lester Hanson
Here are three of the siblings from the 1865 census. Karen,
Anne, and Marthinus.
#3257 Karen
Les
I would say 4 or possibly 5 siblings...  Oline Maria is there also. It could possibly be 5 siblings, since the owner of Skartlien nordre is Nils Syvertsen (33). His age should be 38(?), but if the brother is to be found at all in Land in the 1865-census, this man would be the best match.
Jan Peter
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Kåarto
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Posted - 16/03/2009 : 14:18:32
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Meanwhile I´ll bring up Syver Syversen and Ingeborg Maria Nilsdatter´s wedding record in Åmot church in Torpa on Dec. 28. 1827, he was from Olmhus in Hedalen sub parish in Søndre Aurdal, age 36, she was from Skartlien in Torpa, age 18 #9
Syver Syvertsen was born to Syver Olsen and Anne Knudsdatter Olmhus, 5 siblings, here
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Ray Syverson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 17/03/2009 : 00:09:42
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| Thank you all for your feedback. Kåre,I will try checking out those sources. Jan-- that was a nice find with Oline! I can see how Syvertsdatter could easily be mis-transcribed as Squertsdatter. I bet that's probably her.Plus, Sweden did rule Norway at that time so maybe thats why Oline was down as a Swede. Nils actually was a fifth sibling on that 1865 census. I could not find his birth record for the age he was listed as, but later from his marriage record found out he was older. He was in fact the first son, born Feb 3,1828.The next son was Syver, born Feb 12,1830. The name assignments here seem contrary to normal practice.The paternal grandfather was Syver Olsen and the maternal grandfather was Nils Mikkelsen. Why the first son was named Nils may have been because grandfather Nils was the owner of Skartlien at the time, and the plan was for baby Nils to someday take over--something about keeping the same owner's name with the farm. Jackie, Thanks, I've not had any luck with the naturalization records, and unfortunately Andreas died in 1893 so that leaves out the 1900 census. I did find a short obit in one scandinavian paper that didn't say too much but it wasn't that paper you mentioned. That could be worth a try. Andreas had a machine shop in Chicago and it burned in the fire in Oct 1871. After the fire he worked for a few years at a lantern/sheet-metal factory. He came out with several patents concerning stove-pipes and machines that formed them. I know a fair amount of what went on once he came to Chicago and just hope to somehow learn when he came over so I can write it all down for my kids and relatives. Thanks again for all your help, Ray |
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eibache
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Posted - 17/03/2009 : 06:59:45
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Just in case you have not seen the marriage record for Niels Mikelsen and Mari Hansdatter it is the last one on the right hand page here
engaged Aug 14 1803 and married Oct 2.
Their first child Michel was bapt Aug 12 1804, see 4th record on right hand page.
He must have died since another Michel was bapt May 18 1806, see 4th record on right hand page.
Ingebor Maria was then born Oct 28 1808, see top record on left hand page
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/03/2009 : 08:18:45
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It was two Olmhus farms in 1801, cold be Ole Olsen age 69 from the 1801 census was Syver Olsens older brother, not confirmed.
A picture of the two Olmhus farms on the right side of the river in front, here, click on the picture to magify it for a better view.
The records for Aurdal if you want make look ups, Syver was christened Sivert, good luck
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Ray Syverson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 17/03/2009 : 13:54:16
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| Thank you eibache for those records. I had seen the one for Ingebor's birth but not the others. I made copies. Kåre, thank you so much for the picture of the farms. I can't read the desciption so I'll ask you if the picture is facing south or north. I think Olmhus is the west side of the river.I didn't know there were two farms. The 69 year old Ole is Syver Olsen's father,b.1732. The old goat is on his third wife,and a young one at that. The other Ole Olsen there( age 42 I think),is a brother of Syver. Syver's mother was Karin Syversdatter Bøen. I have been able to trace the Syver in my name back through her famiy to a Syver/Siver/Siffuer Ørjesen Søvde/Saude from Luster in Sogn,born in 1623. Ray Syverson |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/03/2009 : 14:36:41
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Ray,
Olmhus is the two farmes in front on the right side of the river close to the bridge.
This valley is called Begnadalen, a small population centre down can bee seen in the right corner.
Of cource it was his father, Olmhus consisted of two farms a one sub farm under his fathers farm and three sub farms under Syvert Olsens farm, he had three servants employeed, Ole Andersen, Marit Erlandsadtter and Berit Olsdatter, so the farm could feed many persons.
Does Søvde/Saude has any connection to Saude/Søvde parish in Telemark County or is it only a coincidence?
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/03/2009 : 21:59:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Ray Syverson
-- that was a nice find with Oline! I can see how Syvertsdatter could easily be mis-transcribed as Squertsdatter. I bet that's probably her.Plus, Sweden did rule Norway at that time so maybe thats why Oline was down as a Swede.
Yes, it is the right girl. Here she is listed leaving Stavanger on May 11th, 1869. Hometown is N. Land, and destination reads Chicago.
Btw; there is one Andreas Syversen arriving New York on June 12th, 1868, sailing from Liverpool.
I have not unveiled the name of the ship. He is listed as 29, and Swedish...
Source: New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
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Ray Syverson
Junior member
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Posted - 18/03/2009 : 03:17:31
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| Kåre, I don't know if there would be a connection with the Søvdes.Søvde is the present spelling of the farm in Sogn where Syver lived. Saude is an older spelling of it. There is a site called norgeibilder.no where you can zoom down on satelite photos to anywhere in Norway. When I located Olmhus I was able to see a view from above of that area in the picture of the Olmhus farms-everything there as in the picture. And the farms are labeled when you get down close enough. Really great. Here it shows the farm closer to the bridge as being called Øyhus.Is this the second Olmhus farm? Jan, thanks for looking that up on Oline! That's very interesting--if her destination was Chicago it was very likely because her brother Andreas was there already. Her desendants may be living around here(I'm not too far from Chicago). So she sailed from Stavanger to Glasgow and then from there to New York ? Then probably by train to Chicago. It looked like she came alone if I read the Stavanger list right. I did come across an Andreas coming over in 1868 who was a shoemaker from Aadelen, who was in the 1865 census . Not the right man. Maybe this was he you found. I will take a look at that list though. Ray |
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