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debhatland
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 Posted - 26/05/2009 : 23:27:39
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Kare
this is the information i have Do you see my dates?
Jon (John) Torsson b 1830 married Kristi bardsdatter vagen married 1856
Children Tor Jonsson born on Gjerde in etne in 1857, Elisabeth kristine Jonsdatter born vagen in 1860 Brita Serine Jonsdatter born Hetland in 1862 Than my grandfather Bard Jonsson Born vagen 1865
i have Kristi Bardsdatter born 1832 daughter of Bard Eriksson vagen 1802-1880 parish of olen married Kristi Torsdatter Hustveit b 1791-1865
I am still confused :)
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Originally posted by Kåarto
I didn´t notice your reply Einar, Sorry.
Emigration record from Fjelberg/Ølen April 24. 1865 for "Ægtefolkene" Married couple John Thorsen Vaagen born in Etne and Kristi Bardsdatter age 30 and three children, Elisabeth Kristine, Britta Serine and Baard, dest Nordamerica, right page #21-26.
Confusing, see my former posting:
Britta Serine is mentioned born on the same day as John;
Jan 26. 1862.
Was it a wrongspelling, should John have been Britta Serine or contrary ? Where is oldest son Thor Johnsen born on Gjerde 1857. Did he stay, died young or was he forgotten inthe emigration record.
Do you have any ide Deb.
Christine Baardsdatter´s parents married Mai 1853 (no date) in Fjelberg, Ølen, top left page #1
Baar Erichsen "Gaardbruger" Farmer from Strandvaagen age 20,5 and Christie ThoresDatter from Huustvedt age 30.
Fathers: Eric and Thor.
Nice name Strandvaagen, Beach bay, located to the seaside.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/05/2009 : 23:58:56
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Baar Erichsen was born on Sør Vaagen, Ølen 1802, baptised July 4
Last column Right side; 4de July Erik Sør Wogens Baar,
here
Could be her, not confirmed, she is listed as born 1793, the only Kristi Torsdatter I found in Ølen was this next on Nerem Store, 1801 census, for Huustvedt 1801 census, no candidates:
Kristi Torsdatter born 1793 on Nerem, Ølen, baptised Nov. 5., 2. column from right, 2. baptism from top:
D 5te Novemb:Døbt Tor Nerems Dat: Christie, here
Then Baard was your g. grandfather, I think Britta Serine was mixed up with John, both born 1862 is incorrect, what became of the oldest son Thor?
Time for a brake, its many names to classify, perhaps tomorrow will give an answer.
They sailed on Bark Haugesund, dep port Haugesund Mai 13, arrived Quebec June 26, same names as in the emigration record pluss Thor age 8, passengers #44-49
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Edited by - Kåarto on 27/05/2009 20:22:55 |
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debhatland
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Posted - 27/05/2009 : 02:13:55
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Baard born 1865 is may grandfather he married mary Erickson
He changed his name to Ben sometime after he got to the USA
They had a son names raymond that would be my dad
Kristi Torsdatter Hustveit born 1793 was married to Baad Erickson father of Kristi bardsdater she married my great grandfather Jon Torsson born 1830 married 1856
this is what i have :)
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eibache
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Posted - 27/05/2009 : 06:30:08
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Confusing, see my former posting:
Britta Serine is mentioned born on the same day as John;
Jan 26. 1862.
Was it a wrongspelling, should John have been Britta Serine or contrary ?
-she was real, see #20 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 27/05/2009 : 14:43:37
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She was Einar, John and Britta Serine were twins.
The priest recorded the church book for Fjelberg and the copy for Ølen was recorded by the sexton/parish clerk.
Ølen was a part of Fjelberg parish until 1954 and belonged to Hordaland County, from 2002 Ølen was transferd to Rogland County.
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debhatland
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Posted - 27/05/2009 : 14:46:39
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britta serine and john are 2 different people
with with Kristi and john the parents
I am not 100% sure on my information
my records show a john but no information
I have britta serine married a charles pickleman |
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debhatland
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Posted - 27/05/2009 : 14:59:56
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i got on the iowa gravesite and wow did i find great findings
i think i found thor's gravesite the person that posted the stone had her email addy so i email her.
She posted alot of hatland stones so i could find out more information
This is so excited a possible family member i have found :) that is living
Was it a wrongspelling, should John have been Britta Serine or contrary ? Where is oldest son Thor Johnsen born on Gjerde 1857. Did he stay, died young or was he forgotten inthe emigration record.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 27/05/2009 : 19:43:28
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John and Brita were twins recorded in two different church books, see my former posting abowe.
A quick search in the death records for Etne, Fjelberg and Ølen and the 1865 census for Norway on Thor/Tor Johnsen/Jonsen born in Etne gave no answere.
Sør Vågen/ Wogen Søre 1810, Baar´s parents Erik and Berthe (no last names and Baars sister Elisabeth age 1, two servants and a relative Guro Larsdatter.
The next family is a lease holder.
Erik Søre Wogen was Erik Rasmussen and Berthe was Brita Baarsdatter, they married June 30 1798, 2. column top;
June 10 engagement for bachelor Erich Rasmusen Strand and maid Brita BaarsD: Søre Wogen
Sponsors: Auvers Colbeinsen Haug and Johannesd Nordre Wogen
Marriage 30.Juni, click here
Søre Wogen means Southern Wogen and Nordre means Northern
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Edited by - Kåarto on 27/05/2009 20:25:03 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 27/05/2009 : 21:52:08
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Britte Baarsdatter Waagen, see right page, left margin is numberd, Britte is #36
She was born 1764, baptised July 22;
22 july blev Baar Waagens datter Britte døbt
July 22. was Baar Waagens daughter Britte baptised
Godparents; Johanes Larsen, Hans Dueland, Ole Berge, Anne Berge, Kari Waagen.
Brittes mother was Gurra Larsdatter from Giærevigen and Baar Waagen was Baar Nilsen Waagen, Britte and Baar married Friday July 2, 1756:
Left margin tells they were engaged on Feria 2da Paschat (2. day in Easter) Monday April 19. and married Festum Visitatio Mariæ "Maria besøkelse" Visitation Friday July 2.
Couple #10 "ung Karl" bachelor Baar Nielsen Waagen "og" maid Gurra Larsd: Giærevigen.
Cavere - Guarantees, Best men Thor Giærevigen Lars Giarevigen.
Lars Giærevigen was liklely Brittes father.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 29/05/2009 : 10:40:19
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What happened to our ancestor John Thorsen Gjerde´s 10 siblings?
1) Lisbeth Thorsdatter Gjerde born 1823 lived unmaried with her mother widow Lisbeth Johnsdatter on Knudshoug in 1865, husband and father Thor Thorsen died on Gjerde as cottager, age 56, April 21.1850, #19)
2) Thor Thorsen born 1826 ?
3) Siri Thorsdatter born 1828, could be her as a unmarried renter on Haugen in 1865 and on Gjerde in 1900 as a unmarried houseworker. Her mother, "Husmandsenke" Cottagers widow Elisabeth Johnsdatter died on Gjerde April 16. 1885 of tubrkulosis, down page #4
4) John Thorsen born 1830 to America 1865, he left Etne for Fjelberg and Søndre Waagen Mai 18. 1855, right page #13
5) Asgjerd Thorsdatter born 1832 married in Gjerde/Etne Sept. 9. 1870 to merchant Anders Knudsen, left page down #5
6) Guro Thorsdatter born 1836 ?
7) Siri Thorsdatter born July 31. 1838, died 1 day old on Gjerde ,buried August 4, #39
8) Thor Thorsen born 1840 ?
9) Helge Thorsen born 1843.
A daughter, Elisabeth Thorine was born out of wedloc to Helge Thorsen Gjerde and Gyri Jacobsdatter Ve August 29. 1874 #54. They married Nov. 14. same year, bottom page #2
The family emigrated to America 1881;
Worker and married man Helge Thorsen Gjerde and wife Gyri Jacobsdatter with three children ,Elisabeth Thorine, Jacobine Ragnild and Jørgine, right page #15. Dep port Bergen town Nov. 10 on White Star Line
10) Torbjørn Thorsen Gjerde born/died Oct. 22 1845, buried Oct. 30. "Husmandsbarn i Gjerde" Cottager child in Gjerde, bottom left page #5
11) Ole Thorsen born 1846 died 5 days old on Gjerde, the funeral was Oct 11;
Ole Thorsen Barn (Child) 5 Dager (Days) Gjerde #31
Need some time to check out.
Add some photos from Etne
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debhatland
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Posted - 29/05/2009 : 14:59:50
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WOW on your finding kare thank you so much Sure wish i could do something for you for all the help and how work you have done.
did you know that are Tor John had a child with Agota knutsdatter Rome his name was Tor Torsson born 1822 d 1822 I found this at the LDS site. than he married Lisbet
On to John and Kristine's children Tor b 1857 changed his name to Thomas and married Elisabeth likeness they had 6 children than i found Brita Serine married Charles Pickleman but i found Brita b at 1962 so i am still confused on how we can have twins :) |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/05/2009 : 21:25:03
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Yoy are right about Thor Thorsen Lilledalen/Gjerde and Agate Knudsadatter´s son Thor born/died 1822. He was born out of wedloc, they never married, Thor Thorsen Lilledalen (Little valley) was a bachelor when he married Lisbeth Johnsdatter Gjerde 1826.
I have completed Siri Thorsdatter Gjerde born 1838 and Ole Thorsen Gjerde born 1846 abowe, 3 siblings left.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 02/06/2009 : 23:25:11
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Information from Etnesoga, the dates is coming from other records, probate register, cort cases etc.
Let´s return to Kristen Kristensen Kambe and Stødle 1703-63 and Gurro Olsdatter 1706-63, she was from Osnes in Etne born to;
Niels Andersen Osnes 1651-1732 from Austrheim and Sissel Olsdr. from Hordland in Etne 1678-1710.
In 1692 Niels Andersen leased Osnes farm nr 1. from priest Kamstrup and settled down there.
Niels Andersen was born to;
Anders Jensen Austreim 1628-94 and unknown mother.
Anders Jensen received as heir half of Austheim from his father in 1657 and the rest in 1670, but didn´t manage to pay out the other heirs and died in poverty and hunger in the hard and difficult year 1694.
Anders Jensen Austrheim was born to;
Jens Andersen about 1597-1670 and Sissel Nielsdatter.
Sissel Olsdr. Hordland, see abowe, was born to;
Ole Andersen Helleland 1645-1714 and Anna Størkersdatter from Høyland in Etne. Ole Andersen was a "Lagretteman" Local judge in Etne and church warden for Grindem church, he bought half of Hordland from the priest in Etne, Samuel Jacobsen Bonde (born about 1610, died on Kambe 1674) and settled down on Hordland in 1675.
The probate register tells he owned 7 cattle, 15 young cattled, 44 goats and cheeps, 144 Riksdaler in money and a gun.
Ole Andersen was born to Anders Jensen Helland from Førdal iv Vikedal, a small country-side in Vindafjord municipality in Rogaland county and unknown mother.
That will do for tonight.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 03/06/2009 : 14:22:55
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More from "Etnesoga"
Anna Størkersdatter Høyland in Etne 1650-1717, see abowe, was born to Størker/Styrkår Syversen/Sjursen 1646-58 from Aurdal in Vats, Skjold parish in Rogaland and Anna Tjerandsatter Høyland, Etne, born about 1635, died 1705 on Høyland.
When I Googled Anna Tjerandsdatter Høyland I came across this family tree with available additional information, all sources are registered, it looks professional, honest and correct to me.
You can look for yourself here
Hard to get any further back Deb, Etnesoga, the "Bygdebooks" from Etne and "Sverresoga" has interesting information about the youngest son to Earl Erling Skakke from Stødle, Sigurd Erlingsson born about 1170 I will bring up later.
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debhatland
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Posted - 03/06/2009 : 14:42:53
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thank you for this wonderful information
What happens to a farm when they die and own money
and when they only own half the farm.
thank you for all that you are doing for me
It sure means alot to me
deb
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Kristen (Christenson) Kristensson
