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debhatland
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 Posted - 03/06/2009 : 14:48:56
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Kare
I am so happy for all the work you have done for me I can't belive that you got information for the 1170
So Anna would be in the 5th generation grandparents but on the other side of the tree line??? |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/06/2009 : 16:49:04
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Hi, you are welcome.
It was the heirs who distributet the inheritance. Oldest son inherits the part in the farm, he had to pay the rest of the siblings for their rightful shares by the law called Odelsrett.
I have been told Minnesota has/had a fairly simulare law.
It could be many shareholders in a farm, a farmer could be a shareholder in several farms and changed lastname after where he lived.
If a daughter inherit the farm she was only the owner until she married, if she married as a widow her children from the first marriage was the rightful heirs to the farm.
A woman was only in the interest of the outhorities (the king) if she owened a farm, tax-payer, when she married she was mentioned as the farmers "Kvinde" Woman (no name), or as a widow until oldest son takes ower the farm, that´s why the wifes/mothers often are mentioned as unknown.
You are right, Kristen Kristensen Kambe and Støle was 5. generation after Anne Tjerandsdatter Høyland (Highland).
Young Sigurd Erlingsson was an exiting person.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 03/06/2009 16:54:09 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 04/06/2009 : 09:58:04
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Looking for living relatives is exiting and challenging, in most cases you meet a brick wall. Here is the ancestors after Hans Kristensen Kambo born 1746.
Kristen Kristensen Kambo/Støle´s brother Hans was born on Camboe 1746, baptised April 17. bottom left column, here:
Døbt (Baptised) Christen Camboes "sin søn" son Hans.
Hans Christensen married Giøa Iversdatter in Grindem church Nov. 17. 1771, 3. column line 3-4- from bottom:
U.K (Bachelor) Hans Christensen and U:pige (Maid) Giøe Iversdater, here
Hans and Giøa settled down Øvre Haueland in Vikedal parish, Vindafjord, north in Rogaland County (south from Etne), a daughter Sidsela was born 1781, baptised Dominica Vte past Epip (Feb. 4.), bottom left column:
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Døbt Pigebarn kaldet Sidsela , Foreldre Hans Christens: Ø: Houeland and Gjøa Iversdatter
Baptised girl named Sidsela Parents Hans Christens: Ø: Houeland and Gjøa Iversdatter
The family on Haueland Øvre 1801, 3 children Hans (Landsoldat) soldier in the militia, Sidsela and Marthe
Sidsel Hansdatter Houeland (died 1856) married Osmund Terandsen (1768-1832) Huustvedt August 7. 1807. 4. wedding left side here:
7de August Osmund Terandsen Huustvedt and Sidsel Hansd: Houeland.
Her father Hans Houeland was one of the best men.
A son Osmund Osmundsen was born on Huustvedt August 27. 1818 baptised Augus 30, left page #6
Osmund Osmundsen Huustvedt born 1818 married Anna Olsdatter Skipavåg in Imsland church, Vikedal Nov. 14. 1845, top left page #4, They setled down on Store Rødne and from there to Haugesund town where he worked as a carpenter in 1865, 4 children
Kåre |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 04/06/2009 : 12:17:29
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Ole Osmundsen age 7, see 1865 census for Haugesund abowe was born on Rødne, Sandeid sub parish in Vikedal to farmer Osmund Osmundsen and Anna Olsdr. Rødne on Jan. 20. 1860 baptised feb. 12, left page bottom #4.
The family moved back to vikedal from Haugesund, settled down on Holthefarm and changed last name to Holthe.
Ole Osmundsen was a sailor and married Aasa Baardsdatter Dybdal March 3. 1889. Bachelor, Sailor Ole Osmundsen Holthe and Aasa Baardsdatter, left page 3. from bottom #1
Ole Holthe worked as a merchant and baker on Nytorvet, Vikedal in 1900, 6 children.
A son Osmund was born Mai 5. baptised June 6. 1902.
Osmund Dybdal born to Ole Osmundsen Holthe and Aasa Baardsdatter #13
Protection of a persons privacy, 80 yeras rule for the church records. I can send you the names private.
Osmund born 1902, died 1972 married Ragnhild Nilsdatter Vikedal, three sons.
- Ole lives in Stavanger town
- Nils lives on Torvastad Karmøy
- Finn farmer in Vikedal
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Edited by - Kåarto on 04/06/2009 13:01:15 |
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debhatland
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Posted - 04/06/2009 : 21:18:27
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WOW thank you for all the wonderful things you have sent me and done for me I just can't thank you enough
who is Young Sigurd Erlingsson and why was he exiting person?? Did i miss something
I am still going over alot of stuff so i couuld have missed it. Send me anything you want, I enjoy everything. i enjoy all that i am learning. I may not know my living relatives but i will surely know the ones that are in Norway. ;)
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 05/06/2009 : 08:13:25
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Stødle/Støle in Etne where your ancestor Kristen Kristensen lived about 1750 was one farm in the viking- and middleage, three farms and three subfarms in 1801.
It´s very unusual we know exactly where the people lived in the middleage, Støle is an exception. Sigurd was the youngest son of Erling Skakke from Støle born about 1171, his mother was "Åsa den lyse", one of Erlings many mistress.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 05/06/2009 : 09:29:07
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Earl Erling Skake from Stødle was exept for the kings the mightiest man ever lived in Norway in the middleage.
His youngest son Sigurd was 9 years old when Erling fall in Trondheim 1179 and 14 years when his half brother king Magnus V fall at Fimreite 1184 against king Sverre. Sverre percecuted his three older brothers Reidar, Ogmund and Finn and killed them one by one.
Sigurd was taken to Sverres fortress Sverresborg to be raised as his foster son, Sverre wanted to conciliate with Sigurd but he refused all of the kings efforts. Sigurd lived in the court where he learned to read and write until 1193 when he managed to escape.
Sigurs always used Jarlssson as last name, means the son of the Jarl (Earl)
Most likley Sigurd participated in the seabattle at Florvåg at Bergen April 11. 1194 where Sverre won, Sigurd escaped and run to Vinje, central-west in Telemark county.
Two boards with strange charcters was found 1796 when Vinje stave church was demolished because of rot and was kept by the priest. Runic experts tells the incriptions are dated to June 18. 1194 (10 years after king Magnus fall) with following incripitions carved with a knife in V-form;
Sigurd Jarlson carved these runes saturday after botlovs mass when he had to flee here and did not want any reconciliation with Sverre his father and brothers slayer.
Sigurd was a great chief for the Bagleparty and fought many battles against Sverre.
1196 in Semsfjorden in Vestfold county, eastern Norway, Sigurd came on shore on a headland by using a row boat with some of his men; he wanted to tease the king. Sverres big ship Hovedbussen was moored by the seashore, Sigurds men called for the king and Sigurd shouted before he withdraw "Is Sverre "min husbonde" (my head of household) on board?" The guardsman Ljot Haraldsson answered "King Sverre is on board, and never has he given lodging to a worse man, your behavior shows that"
Sverre later calles Sigurd a wise man.
Sigurd Jarlsson liklely survived Sverre who died March 1202.
Authumn 1201, a document, se further down, show a letter from Reidar Sendemann, he told he and a floc of Baglers stayed on Slottsfjellet, Tønsberg town, surrounded by the Birkebeiner, he send a message to Inge Magnussen and Sigurd Jarlsson, requesting for reinforcement before Niculas mass (Dec. 6.), see here
Reidar Sendmann and his men surrounded after 20 weeks of starvation.
Inge Magnussen, Bagler king from 1196-1202, was Sigurds nephew, son of king Magnus V Erlingsson. Reidar Sendemann, Bagler chief, married to Margaret, one of king Magnus daughters, he died 1214 serving in the Emporers guard in Istanbul, Turkey. Another daughter of king Magnus, Ingebjørg, maried Birkebeiner chief Peter Støyper, king Sverres nephew. King Magnus had more children not mentioned here.
The last we hear from Sigurd Jarlssonn is from a sea battle in Årdal, the inner part of Sognefjorden, western Norway, Sogn Fjordane county , Dec. 1201 where the Baglers lost against Sverre and Sigurd was forced to flee across the mountain to Valdres, sout-west in Oppland county, eastern Norway.
No one seems to know why Sigurd run to Valdres. His sister Ragnild´s daugher Ragnhild Jonsdatter married Duke Skule Baardsson Rein, his mother was from Kviden in Valdres, was it because of that Sigurd run to Valdres?
Skule Baardsson was one of the leaders in the guard to his brother king Inge II Baardsson, did Sigurd serve there or did he feel that his mission was completed when king Sverre was dead?
Cources; King Sverres Saga written by two Iclandic´s; Abbot Carl Jonsson who came to Norway 1185 and worked for king Sverre and Snorre 1178-1241, king Magnus Saga written by Snorre and Ingolv Vevatne, a copy of the runic board kept in the University of Oslo was given to Etne, see here.
Kåre
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 05/06/2009 : 12:54:24
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From the 1865 cenus above Osmund Osmundsen Rødne, information tell 4 of his children emigrated to USA. Need some time to sort them out.
1) Cæsilia Osmundsdatter born Sept. 12. 1846 on Skipavåg, right side #9 married carpenter Torger Eriksen Holte, emigrated with 7 children from Vikedal, settled down in Iowa. Torger was on a visit back home in 1914 as a widower, Torger E. Holt citizen of Iowa carpenter here, dep. port Bergen. Perhaps they could be found in the 1900 census for Iowa, likley used last name Holt.
2) Osmund Osmundsen Store Rødne/Holthe born on Store
Rødne 1857 emigrated April 4. 1881 to USA, he married Ellen Eike and settled down in Paskenta, California, several children, right page #10
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Edited by - Kåarto on 07/06/2009 19:55:22 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 05/06/2009 : 17:22:26
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| The 1900 US Census gives a Tom E Holt born Jan 1849 in Norway and wife Selia born Sep 1847 in Norway with eight children, four of them born in Norway and four born in Iowa. |
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debhatland
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Posted - 05/06/2009 : 18:24:52
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i found this Holt But i am confused :) Is this my family??
Home in 1900: Story, Story, Iowa
Age: 51
Birth Date: Jan 1849
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1884
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Spouse's name: Selia
Marriage Year: 1871
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 29
Tom E Holt 51
Selia Holt 52
Anna Holt 22
Theodora Holt 19
Edward Holt 14
Amanda Holt 10
Theckla Holt 8
Osmund T Holt 25
Elisabeth Holt 25
Thelma Holt 2
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 05/06/2009 : 20:12:10
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Hi,
The Story County, Iowa genweb page (www.usgenweb.com )has numerous wonderful online searchable databases. Don't know if this helps but here is Thomas E. Holt's and Cecelia's entry in the Heastone transcriptions found there:
Holt Cecelia 06 Sep 1846 24 Mar 1904
Holt Thomas E. 06 Jan 1848 22 Apr 1927 Fairview
So Thomas was indeed a widower in 1914 if he hadn't married again...
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 05/06/2009 : 21:13:41
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Great finding to all, this is your family in Iowa Deb.
Hans Kristensen Kambe, Etne, born 1746 was Cæsilia/Selia Holt´s g.granfather.
2. more of Cæsilias siblings emigratet, nr 3 and 4. Want to find the emigration records to be 100% sure.
3) Kristi Osmundsen born 1851 married Osmund Olsen Birkenes born 1843 in Veste in Etne, settled down in Langford USA.
It looks like Kirsti Osmundatter Rødne left Vikedal for Stavenger town April 16.1877 with a son, Ole Severin born July 3. 1874. Her husbund Osmund Olsen Bjerkenes in Etne seem to have left earlier, right page 2. from top #2-4, because of that we can assume they emigrated from Stavanger.
4) Anna Karine Osmudsdatter born 1863 married Johan Vik from Karmøy, settled down in Sharon USA, 8 children.
Anna Karine died 1904.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 08:45:42
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Hi,
The 1990 National Gazetteer of the United States has 2 listings for Langford:
Langford, Kent County, Maryland
Langford, Marshall County, South Dakota
There are 10 Sharon listings:
Sharon, Taliaferro County, Georgia
Sharon, Bear Lake County, Idaho
Sharon, Barber County, Kansas
Sharon, Norfolk County, Massachusetts
Sharon, Madison County, Mississippi
Sharon, Steele County, North Dakota
Sharon, Woodward County, Oklahoma
Sharon, Mercer County, Pennsylvania
Sharon, Weakley County, Tennessee
Sharon, Walworth County, Wisconsin
Hope this helps
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 17:48:47
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Hi, grateful for any help.
I think I shall keep to the Norwegian records, easy to get lost and stumble abroad.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 18:19:59
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Did Tom Holt remarry, maybe?. I did not find a Tom Holt born in Norway in the 1920 US Census at all. However there is a Tom Holt born in Norway age 72 ie 1848 living in Lafayette, Story, Iowa with wife Cecelia age 62 ie born in 1858. Tom immigrated in 1884 Cecelia in 1866. This Cecelia does not fit the earlier Selia from the 1900 US Census as that Selia was born in abt 1847 and immigrated in 1885.
I hope this just doesn't confuse things Deb but actually adds. |
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