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jeancloke
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 Posted - 14/06/2009 : 11:16:28
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Trying to trace my great great grandfather, Charles Wilson (or Vilson perhaps) born about 1850 in Norway. His father was also called Charles Wilson.They were both Mariner carpenter's I am assuming that the 1st Charles was perhaps Norweigan or his wife was as the 2nd Charles (about 1850) married a Margaret Nicholson in Liverpool in 1875.Their daughter my Grandmother used to say that the family came from Norway but changed the name to Wilson to make it sound more English!!!
On the English cenus's for 1901 1891 1881 his place of birth is always Norway.
On his wedding certificate his father's name is given as Charles Wilson.
It's a long shot anybody got any idea's??? |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 14/06/2009 : 23:28:31
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The 1881 British census has Charles Wilson, A-B Seaman, unmarried, born 1853 in Kristiansand town, Vest-Agder County, southern Norway, but since he married in 1875.......
He changed lastname to make it sound more English to Wilson. I assume he had some trouble every time he used his last name, perhaps the Wilson name is coming from a farm or place which ment a lot to him.
Only a proposal, but worth to try.
Could Charles be Carl in Norway, if his father was Carl he was baptised Carl Carlsen.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 14/06/2009 23:28:56 |
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jeancloke
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Posted - 15/06/2009 : 16:34:15
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Thank you very much for the reply, but my Charles Wilson in the 1881 british cencus has him married to Margaret (my Great Great Grandmother) living in Liverpool but born in Norway.
Interesting that Charles could be Carl in Norway.
Any ideas that I could go forward with? |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/06/2009 : 20:55:59
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Carl/Karl is very common in Norway, the French emperor Charlemagne is Karl in Norway.
No ideas so fare, sorry, you see it was about 18 000 Karl/Carl in Norway according the 1865 census and 58 Charles (Also divergence spellings was used for both)
Since both father and son were seamen they lived along the coast.
22 Wilson lived in Norway acc. the same census, some of them British, but your Charles changed to Wilson after he settled down in England.
Its a great adcvantage he was born before the 1865 census, then you know he is recorded there and his father as seaman.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/06/2009 : 11:32:13
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Most emigrants kept the initials changing the name.
Carl/Charl could be Charles, could Wiggen be Wilson?
I have an intersting Carl Odin Wiggen born out of wedloc in Bakklandet sub parish in Trindheim town, central Norway, on Mai. 30. 1854, his father Carl Johan Wiggen was a seaman, mother was Torikka Haugen, #35.
In the 1865 census for Trondheim both his name and his fathers name are spelled Charl, his father was a fisherman, married to Oline, Charl had three siblings, Torikka, Marie and Emil.
Does any of these name sounds known to you?
There is only a drawback, he still lived in Trondheim in 1875 as an unmarried "Matros" Seaman, recorded as born 1853 here
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jeancloke
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Posted - 16/06/2009 : 17:51:08
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Hi once again thank you for replying to me. It is very interesting but confusing I have no ideas as to the names of any siblings He definifitly married in Liverpool 28th November 1875 aged 25.(country of birth once again Norway)
You have a census 1865 where a Charles was 22 that would make him born in 1847. Interesting.
As in the English census 1881 Year of birth (YOB) 1850 ...1891 census YOB 1848...1901 census YOB 1845 and yet his death certificate 05/06/1904 age 56.... so born 1847/8.
So perhaps .........
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jeancloke
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Posted - 21/06/2009 : 12:25:57
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Hi once again thank you for replying to me. It is very interesting but confusing I have no ideas as to the names of any siblings He definifitly married in Liverpool 28th November 1875 aged 25.(country of birth once again Norway)
You have a census 1865 where a Charles was 22 that would make him born in 1847. Interesting.
As in the English census 1881 Year of birth (YOB) 1850 ...1891 census YOB 1848...1901 census YOB 1845 and yet his death certificate 05/06/1904 age 56.... so born 1847/8.
So perhaps .........
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Kċarto
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Norway
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Posted - 21/06/2009 : 19:58:51
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Hi, I couldn´t find back to the 22 year old Charles.
In 1865 is was 310 seamen, variyng spellings used for Sĝmand and Matros, named Carl, Charl, Charles and Karl born between 1843-1853 in Norway.
Strange when he changed to Charles Wilson in England he used the same name on his father; Charles Wilson.
He was likely living in Norway with another last name, perhaps given name too.
You see, if Charles father was Charles hi would liklely have been Charles Charlesen in Norway, sounds unthinkable to me.
Even all options is possible I think we has to look for Carl, Charl or Karl in Norway and Carl/Karl Carlsen/Karlsen.
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jeancloke
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Posted - 06/07/2009 : 11:39:33
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HI Thanks for the reply ( sorry been so long in replying but we have been on holiday)
I think I will never find out who my great grandfather was and exactly where in Norway he was born.Sad
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Kċarto
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Posted - 06/07/2009 : 16:46:05
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I am sure you will find Charels Wilson one day.
The published information has just started.
There are still so much kept in the archives, it will liklely all be online one day.
New information is published by Digitalarkivet every week, search in the scanned 2,25 million pages from 11000 church boks wasn´t ready before 2007.
Charles Wilson is most likley in one of the many seamen-registers, he is for sure in the baptism and confirmation records.
Don´t give up, I have seen to many brick-walls fall in genealogy.
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jeancloke
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Posted - 06/12/2010 : 14:32:53
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Hi still trying after a long time to trace Charles Wilson ]born about 1850 in Norway. Thats all I know of him from the cencus UK it states born in Norway. I know it is a big place can anyone give me some help??? |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/12/2010 : 15:39:14
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A record search in the LDS files gave this result with slightly different dates, What would be the right dates?
Groom's Name: Charles Wilson
Groom's Birth Date: 1854
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 21
Bride's Name: Margaret Nicholson
Bride's Birth Date: 1854
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 21
Marriage Date: 23 Nov 1875
Marriage Place: St. Peter, Lancaster, Lancashire, England.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/12/2010 : 17:20:03
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Carl (Charles) Wilhelmsen (Wilson) seaman born 1847, father Wilhelm Klemmetsen ship carpenter, see 1865 census.
Confirmation record for Carl Henry is (bapt record lost in fire) #13. |
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Edited by - eibache on 06/12/2010 17:23:27 |
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