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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 02/07/2009 : 14:57:59
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Hi,
Pladson is a farm or subfarm in Nes, Hallingdal...Sometimes carried as Plasson or Pladsen...
In Nordmaendene, Lars Fredriksen Granflatten udv from Nordre Fron 1876, farmed at Colman, South Dakota. Sons named as Torsten & Fredrick; others mentioned are Amund Granflatten, Ole Granflatten.
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 02/07/2009 15:18:04 |
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Anne Brit Benum
Senior member
Norway
260 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2009 : 16:23:27
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I don't know, really, where he came from. As you say, there are many places in Norway.
Anne |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 02/07/2009 : 16:27:29
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It was, but you see it were Pladsen farms all over Norway, only in Oppland County 450 people lived on farms similare to Pladsen in 1865, very common name.
Here is Niels again as Niels ?vig in 1862 when Kari Tuff age 3 was vaccinated #59
I have Niels Henriksen age 30 on Pladsen in N. Aurdal, Oppland County in 1865, married and two children age 6 and 3.
It´s most likley a blind track.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2009 : 16:59:48
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Karri Kallevig is a good possibility but the 1900 US Census lists her immigration as 1886. See below.
: Kari Kallevig
Home in 1900: Arctander, Kandiyohi, Minnesota
Age: 41
Birth Date: Mar 1859
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1886
Relationship to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Mother: number of living children: 10
Mother: How many children: 11
Spouse's Name: Johannes
Marriage Year: 1881
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 19
Residence : Arctander Township, Kandiyohi, Minnesota
Also her husband Johannes is listed as having immigrated in 1886 and they are listed as being married 19 years which would mean they were married in 1881 and before they came to the US. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2009 : 17:28:16
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Hi,
Here is the brief excerpt from a biographical history of Norway Lake Lutheran church history (I think!)
Johannes Kallevig, from Mosteroen. Married with Kari O. Emberland. Came to Norway Lake 1892
Perhaps there were two Johannes Kallevig?
I think we are just trying on all the Kari to see which might fit...
Hilsen,
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Anne Brit Benum
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 02/07/2009 : 18:24:52
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Really! I do not know how to thank you all - if I had had 10.000 red roses, I would have given them to all of you. Because: I went through the birth- and christening-dates for my grandmother (Kari's niece) and her six brothers and sisters to see if Kari was the "fadder" to any of them. As my grandmother was the oldest and born in August 1896, I started with her. Neither she nor her six younger brothers and sisters, of whom the latest was born in 1914, has Kari as "fadder". So I think the above-mentioned Kari is the closest we can get.
Hjertelig tusen takk til dere alle,
Anne i et glohett Oslo. |
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Anne Brit Benum
Senior member
Norway
260 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2009 : 19:37:30
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Since I "talked" to you earlier this afternoon, new information has turned up: Kari Nilsdatter Tuff did NOT leave her home parish till October 26, 1889. Her leaving is recorded in the proper church-book, and the dates for birth, baptism and confirmation are correct. The church-book lists the destination for all the other "leavers" but one, and that person is Kari Nilsdatter Tuff. Two questions-marks have filled the place where her destination ought to have been written in. She has not left for the US in 1889, and I have not found her leaving for the US in 1890. So - I am extremely sorry, but it seems you have found the information according to Kari has been information on other Karis. The only thing I am quite certain of, is that she is not in Oslo in 1900.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2009 : 19:42:31
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Hi,
The usgenweb S.D. Moody county page presents baptismal register for Hegre and Salem Lutheran Church in Moody County, South Dakota & has numerous Granflaten listings. Tosten and Karin Granflaten are often fadder for the children of Ole, Amund, Fredrick (dates roughly 1886-1905). I could only find one child for Tosten and Karin and in that entry no maiden name is given for her. Rootsweb has a Lewis Martinus Granflaten (b 1880)in the California death records has his parents names as Thomas Granflaten and mother as Mary Jacobson. So if Tosten = Thomas, then it appears likely that Karin is a 2nd wife.
Re the father named as Nils or Niels on the vaccination record it gives the Niels ____vig but doesn't it also say navn ubekjendt (name unknown) Don't you think if he was a "local" boy the pastor would know his name?
Thanks for checking faddernes for nieces and nephews of Kari but what about the six children of Barbro and Syver?
Hilsen,
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Anne Brit Benum
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Norway
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Posted - 02/07/2009 : 20:12:31
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Hi.
Barbro and Syver had seven children, of whom my grandmother was the oldest - these are the nieces and nephews of Kari that I mentioned. I remember all my grandmother's brothers and sisters very well; the youngest one, who was only seven years older than my mother, died only a couple of years ago. She was then a very old lady - she had passed 90. Her son is still farming in the mountains of Slidre, and we are visiting him every summer. And yes, I am quite sure that the pastor would know the name if Kari's father was local. The pastors always knew everything about everybody. And many of the pastors in the local communities were pastors for years and years.
The Karin you mention might be wife number 2.
Hilsen Anne
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2009 : 20:28:51
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Hi Anne,
Here is the online North Dakota death index (I think) for your Thore Syverson:
SYVERSON, THORE 02/07/1941 Ransom MALE 86 Years 04/20/1854 North Dakota Ransom
His birthdate is before Kari's by quite a bit and he is not listed in the 1865 census with Barbro and her other two children on Tuf. And Kari is listed as her first indiscretion on Kari's baptismal. Is he a half sibling on the father Syver Knudson's side or a full sibling with a messed up birthdate?
Just curious....
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Anne Brit Benum
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Posted - 02/07/2009 : 22:01:29
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Hi Jackie.
Thore Syverson is Syver Knudsen's son from his first marriage. Syver Knudsen was married to Maria Torgrimsdatter in Aurdal. They had many children, and Thore was number 2. He had an older sister, whose descendants are our neighbours at our cabin in the Slidre-mountains. Maria died, probably because she was exhausted from giving birth to many children. Then Syver moved north, met Barbro Johnsdaughter, and they got married. Barbro already had two siblings by two different fathers.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2009 : 04:54:56
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Hi,
Yes, I was curious about the how relationship worked and how it might have related to the question about Kari.
Since Marie was a half sister to Lars and Kari would have have been a half sister to Lars it seems likely that if Kari was alive at the time of Lars' demise that Kari would have been mentioned as surviving as well as Marie. So circumstantially it appears that Kari was likely to be dead before Lars.
But Thore's obit didn't mention any siblings, full or half and there would have been at least one full sibling if Marie had the same mother & father as Thor, or 3 half siblings if Marie and Kari and Lars had the same mother as Thore. There are lots of circumstances which might lead to some piece of information not being included in an obit--not the least of which might be that the editor may have determined (teeing off from the New York Times motto--"all the news that's fit to print")"all the news that fits, we print."
O well. With the new date of her leaving the parish the list of eligigle Karis will probably change. Kari/Karin Granflaten is eliminated as is Kari Kallevig because they were each stateside by about 1886. And since her destination isn't included, Kari could have moved to another parish in Norway, or any place else in the world to boot.
Hilsen,
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Anne Brit Benum
Senior member
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Posted - 03/07/2009 : 08:56:55
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You know, this is the strangest ever - but I suppose these things happen.
Hilsen Anne |
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Anne Brit Benum
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Posted - 23/08/2009 : 09:34:34
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Memorial Park Cemetery in Grand Forks is where Marie and Severin Gustavsson are buried. We'll come back next summer to once again visit family in North Dakota and Minnesota. Will Marie and Severin's burial sites still exist - or will they have been taken away to give room for other burials? It their grave-site still exists: How will I find it?
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 23/08/2009 : 12:36:55
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Yes, their graves will probably still be there. We have lots of space here and many Americans are quite unfamiliar with the practice of reusing cemetery plots. The gravestones or markers might be old and hard to read, or perhaps somehow damaged through the years but usually someone will still be trying to maintain the area to some degree.
Sometimes a cemetery might have a list of names or map of their site filed with the city or county but often if the cemetery is small, no longer often used or rural they may not have anything like that available. In that case we just "walk the cemetery" and look for names on the tombstones. |
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Kari Nilsdaughter, emigrated from Oslo in 1881
