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peder
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 Posted - 24/06/2009 : 11:54:05
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Ole M johansen born Nov 19 1879 Oslo trefoldighet page 194 #46
Berthe M b. march 26 1878 Oslo Ostre Aker page 200 #103
parents for both=andreas johansen and Julie Olsen
want to find marriage record for parents and birth record for
Andreas. |
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peder
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 25/06/2009 : 06:40:32
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| There a place called Haugen about six kilometer north and west of Spydeberg at thebase of Lake Lyseren. |
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unclarity
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peder
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Posted - 25/06/2009 : 16:12:03
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thank you for the last 2 posting responses.
yes that is andreas birth. can you provide what is has for info? |
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 25/06/2009 : 18:55:44
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Do you know if Andreas was married before? There's an 1865 Census Andreas Johanns that matches age and basic location Peder reports not the right census
Berte Marie Birth Record #103 might have a few clues for you:
1) She's listed as ogte. So the marriage should have occurred at list by March 26, 1878.
2) The age difference for the parents (43 vs. 22) might indicate a second marriage.
If you find the marriage record, that should indicated it. |
Edited by - KnudsonFamily on 25/06/2009 23:37:24 |
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unclarity
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unclarity
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Posted - 25/06/2009 : 20:10:38
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Originally posted by peder
thank you for the last 2 posting responses.
yes that is andreas birth. can you provide what is has for info?
It still takes me a long time to read these documents ....I am hoping someone else can help you here |
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 25/06/2009 : 23:02:46
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The marriage record is fairly straightforward.
Their marriage record is #12.
Married Feb 3,
Andreas was a widower (enkjemann) from Spydeberg and born in 1835 His father as Johannes ARNESEN
She was a Pige (unmarried girl) born in Kaahal April 6, 1856 father Ole Hansen
both appear to be living in Kampen at the time.
witnesses were Syver Torstensen and Tore Mikelsen
Their wedding was announced 13, 20,and 27 of Janaury
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peder
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Posted - 25/06/2009 : 23:22:37
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for Unclarity-that link you sent just sent me to the main page. I did try to find that info you had. but couldnt find it.
you did find the marriage. very grateful for your help you did excellent. what led you to that parish for the marriage.
yes andreas marry twice, I hve his first marriage and the wife death at an early age.
for Knudson : the census is not the correct one but the birth of Bertha is correct. I did find the census for andreas in his first marriage. |
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 25/06/2009 : 23:34:10
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I'm assuming the "the link you sent" referred to the FamilySearch.org.
On the screen you need to enter Andreas Johannesen with 1835 and norway.
It will bring back a list and and item 46 has:
Andreas <JOHANESEN>
Sex: M
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Event(s):
Birth: 09 Mar 1835 Place: <Spydeberg, Ostfold, Norway>
Christening: 11 Mar 1835 Place: Spydeberg, Ostfold, Norway
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Parents:
Father: Johanes ARNESEN
Mother: Marthe HANSDR
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Source Information:
Batch Number: C424612
Source Dates: 1778 - 1841
Film or Fiche Number: 126037
Collection Details: Spydeberg; Den Norske Kirke |
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unclarity
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Posted - 25/06/2009 : 23:48:17
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-in the record for Berthe M b. 26 Mar 1878 Oslo Østre Aker-
she is the first known child to be born of this couple....I went on the ASSUMPTION that they may have wed in this parish.....sometimes it's just hit and miss.
as for the birth record....the parents were listed in the confirmation record you already had...I did a quick parent search at the LDS website which Mary has already given you the info for.
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Edited by - unclarity on 25/06/2009 23:53:23 |
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 26/06/2009 : 00:23:27
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Peder has included 3 children so far:
1) Record #103. Berte Marie march 26 1878 Oslo Ostre Aker
2) Ole M johansen born Nov 19 1879 Oslo trefoldighet page 194 #46
3) Record #102. Janna July 19 1889 oslo county-trefoldighet 1889 page 341 #102.
I think the marriage record you found looks good.
They married before Berta birth. I believe they were considered ogte if the wedding happened before the birth.
Locations and dates look good.
On Janna's birth record, I'm not sure what the info behind the mother's name means in this case. I've seen it have the marriage (on kids come quick) and sometimes when the mother was re-introduced to the church. Maybe a 4 star member might chime in... |
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unclarity
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Posted - 26/06/2009 : 00:35:21
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Yes, I am sure this is the correct marriage record...they sure did cut it close to Berthe's birth though  I did not really expect to find it that close.
And it would be nice to have help with Andreas birth/christening record for Peder
as well as the date in Janna's record
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peder
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