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terbrellow
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 Posted - 14/08/2009 : 00:12:03
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looking for siblings & ancestors of Julia anna Hansen, born in Norway in May 19, 1851. She married John Oleson, then widowed and married Frederik August Brullow who was born August 28, 1848 in Stockholm. She emigrated to USA in 1882 to Winnebago county, Oshkosh, Wisconsin according to US dept of commerce census of 1900. She had a son, Carl Henrick Brullow born in 1895 in Wisconsin.
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 14/08/2009 : 04:28:02
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Which county was she from?
Was Julia her name in Norway or Guri?
Based on the 1900 and 1910 census, She and Fred married around 1874.
1900 United States Federal Census about Julia Anna Brullow
Home in 1900: Oshkosh Ward 4, Winnebago, Wisconsin
Birth Date: May 1857
Birthplace: Norway
Immigration Year: 1882
Relationship to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Mother: number of living children: 5
Mother: How many children: 6
Spouse's Name: Fred A
Marriage year: 1874
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 26
Residence : Oshkosh City, Winnebago, Wisconsin
Name Age
Fred A Brullow 50
Julia Anna Brullow 49
Helana T Brullow 16
Helena R Brullow 14
Johan A Brullow 12
Carl H Brullow 5
1910 United States Federal Census about Julia Brullow
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Spouse's Name: Fread A
Home in 1910: Oshkosh Ward 8, Winnebago, Wisconsin
Marital Status: Married (36 years) second marriage for both
Mother 0f 6 born / 5 living
Year of Immigration: 1884
Name Age
Fread A Brullow 61
Julia Brullow 57
Carl Brullow 18
Carl born Jan 9 1895 according to WWI draft card born in Neenaha |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 14/08/2009 : 09:38:51
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quote:
Based on the 1900 and 1910 census, She and Fred married around 1874.
- I believe around 1883 would be more likely, ie in USA then.
When and where did she get married in Norway?
When and where did her first husband die?
Are you certain that her last name was Hansen - or could it have been Hansdatter? |
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 14/08/2009 : 17:35:00
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In the 1920 census, Fred was living with Carl (Charles) in Manitowoc, Manitowoc, WI and is listed as Widow. The immigration/birth year were messed up (had him immigrating before his birth year).
Eibache, what makes you say "around 1883 would be more likely"? (just trying to learn) |
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terbrellow
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Posted - 14/08/2009 : 18:56:18
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| Thanks for the info! I don't know what county Julia was from nor do I know the name Guri. I am sure her birthdate was 1851 according to the 1900 census she was 49 yrs. old. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 14/08/2009 : 20:00:17
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In the 1900 census the oldest daughter was 16 years, based on this info in the census 1883 is a closer date for the marriage than 1874.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/08/2009 : 21:50:06
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There are problems in trying to find "Julia Anna Hansen" --
First, a Norwegian born woman calling herself "Julia" in America often had a different original Norwegian given name. Women named Guri, Jorna and other very Norwegian feminine names often were called Julia after emigrating. We know this because many of us had ancestors who did exactly that. My own was a Jorna Torkilsdatter - who was known in the US as Julia Larsen (her father's patronymic). It took me a long time to get enough information from American sources to find her in Norway. But luckily the puzzle was finally solved.
Second, Hansen would be a patronymic name form for a male, a female would be first expected to be known as Hansdatter. Unless in her later life in America she chose to identify herself by a family surname which was actually her father's patronymic. So we can't be sure of exactly how she might be shown in Norwegian records. Hansen is also a very very common name - so would not be easy to narrow down.
Third, we currently have no clues about what part of Norway she may have been born in or even what Norwegian port she might have emigrated from.
But to start with you might assume that her given name really was Julia or perhaps even Julianna (include spelling variants for those names), that she really was born in 1851 and that her patronymic at least started with the letters HAN. The 1865 Norwegian census database can be checked for females, born between about 1850 and 1852, first name starting with "Julia" and surname starting with "Han". (I broaden the birth year range slightly to allow for the variances of census collection date vs. actual birthdate that make those things vary a bit.)
I ran that example through the Advanced Search of the NHDC 1865 Norwegian census database and still came up with 10 possible females that meet those conditions.
Municipality-------First name---Surname----Birthplace----------Birth year---Domicile
Kråkstad----------Julia------------Hansdatter-Spydberg Prgj.----1850---------Sanderplads
Ås-------------------Julia------------Hansdatter-Aas Prgj.------------1852---------Brækken søndre
Nesodden--------Julia------------Hansdatter-Drøbaks Pr.--------1851---------Sjødal
Våler---------------Julia------------Hansdatter--Vaaler---------------1850---------Veidahl østre
Brandval----------Juliane---------Hansdatter-Høland--------------1850---------Sander
Søndre Høland-Juliane---------Hansdatter--Hølands Prgj.-----1852---------Kjølvei
Idd------------------Juliane--------Hansdatter--Id Prgj.---------------1850---------Tangen
Skjeberg----------Juliane--------Hansen------Skeberg-------------1851---------Grønli
Aurskog-----------Juliane--------Hansen------Urskaug Prgj.------1852---------Botten
Lurøy--------------Julianna-------Hansdatter--Lurø Præstegjeld-1851--------Sandøen
There is an even longer list in that census for girls of that age category listed in 1865 as "Julie Hans....."
Play with that database search yourself and see the possibilities (instructions are available at that website)-
http://www.rhd.uit.no/indexeng.html
Perhaps knowing if she married Mr. Brullow before or after she emigrated would help. Is there no American record still existing that might tell you that? If she married him before she emigrated perhaps she lived in a Norwegian area very close to the Swedish border...
If she married him after she emigrated perhaps an application for a Wisconsin? marriage license listed the names of her parents or at least her father?
Was there an obituary published after her death? Did it possibly given any information about her early life? Living brothers/sisters?
Were there church records in Wisconsin where the Brullow family attended and/or had their children baptised? Do those church records possibly list what Norwegian parish she was baptised and/or confirmed in?
Exhaust, really really exhaust all the possible American records which might give you any additional nuggets of information about Julia. Any tiny little piece of information might be just the clue needed.
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terbrellow
Starting member
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Posted - 14/08/2009 : 23:16:28
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| Thank you for the help and all the info. In my mother's notes she says that Julia's last three children (Helena R., Johan A. and Carl H. were born in Wisconsin. The first three (Helena or Helma T., Helena R. and Johan A. were actually fathered by her first husband John Oleson. I don't know if Fred A. Brullow adopted them or not. I will keep checking . |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 15/08/2009 : 00:32:20
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| The first three (Oleson) children also born in US? If yes, that answers our question about WHERE she married Brullow. And would mean you can start searching for a Wisconsin marriage license application, marriage record in a church, etc. etc. |
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KnudsonFamily
Medium member
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186 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2009 : 00:55:51
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There is a Wisconsin Genealogy Index entry I first discounted based on dates, but....
On Apr 22, 1898 a Juliana C Olser (likely Olsen) married in Outagamie county a Frederick A. Brullow. Volume: 03 Page 0282 |
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terbrellow
Starting member
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Posted - 15/08/2009 : 01:10:52
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| I think you found it! There are no other Frederik A. Brullow at that time. It seems like they got married after there arrival in US. Maybe they had first couple kids out of wedlock. not sure. |
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 15/08/2009 : 01:16:02
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| As Hopkins stated, the marriage license can be enlighting. For my great grandmother, it showed their family in transition. They hadn't fully changed their names to what we Wisconsinites had always thought of them as. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/08/2009 : 15:32:49
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The oldest child in the 1900 census was 16 years, born in 1884 approx. Julia Anna emigrated in 1882, all children born in USA then. She married her second husband in 1898, the youngest child was 5 years in 1900, this means that all children most likely was with her first husband.
When she married the second time her name was Juliana C Olser - Julianna was a common norwegian name, the C is difficult to interpret, Olser = most likely Oleson (Olsen) from her first marriage, she could well have been a Hansdatter.
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Julia anna Hansen Olesen
