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Geir Dybvig
Medium member
Norway
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 Posted - 05/09/2009 : 20:01:06
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What happend with Arthur, and are there descendents?
Jo(h)n Martin Johansen Dybvig left Norway april 8. 1883 heading for Chicago.
About half a year later, september 18. 1883 his soon Arthur Andreas born may 5. 1883 and his mother Isabella Dorthea Nilssen followed .
She traveld together with her brother Johan (Jon) Meyer Nilssen.
As far as I know Jo(h)n Martin and Isabella never married.
Jo(h)n Martin married Amalie (Emilie) Simonsen some time before september 1889.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9284 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2009 : 20:21:48
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This looks like the John Dybvig and his wife Amelia from the 1900 US Census.
Name: John Dybvig
[John Dybing]
Home in 1900: Chicago Ward 16, Cook, Illinois
Age: 42
Birth Date: Jan 1868
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1883
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Spouse's Name: Amelia
Marriage year: 1886
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 14
Residence : Chicago City, Cook, Illinois
Household Members: Name Age
John Dybvig 42
Amelia Dybvig 43
Christina Dybvig 10
Elizabeth Dybvig 5
Signe Dybvig 4
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9284 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2009 : 20:28:38
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In the 1910 US Census he has a slightly different name and the age of his wife has been transcribed incorrectly. Again from ancestry.com
Name: Marton J Dybvig
[Martin J Dybvig]
Age in 1910: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Spouse's Name: Amalia
Home in 1910: Chicago Ward 28, Cook, Illinois
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1880
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Marton J Dybvig 52
Amalia Dybvig 33
Christina Dybvig 20
Elizabeth Dybvig 17
Sighe Dybvig 14
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Geir Dybvig
Medium member
Norway
97 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2009 : 22:40:55
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| Christine and Elizabeth was unmarried, and Signe married and her descendants I have traced. So it's only Arthur I do'nt knew anything about. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/09/2009 : 01:27:07
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Hi,
Not so much help but here are the Arthur of any last name with a 5 May 1883 birthdate in the Social Security death index:
Name Birth Death Last Residence Last Benefit SSN Issued Tools Order
Record?
ARTHUR KING 05 May 1883 Dec 1969 02154 (Waltham, Middlesex, MA) (none specified) 023-05-1725 Massachusetts
ARTHUR PAUWELS 05 May 1883 Jan 1965 (New York) (none specified) 082-07-4275 New York SS-5 Letter
ARTHUR ARMSTRONG 05 May 1883 Jan 1965 (New Jersey) (none specified) 084-03-4689 New York SS-5 Letter
ARTHUR CHAMBERLIN 05 May 1883 Sep 1972 08701 (Lakewood, Ocean, NJ) (none specified) 111-05-7582 New York
ARTHUR HOBDEY 05 May 1883 Oct 1963 (Idaho) (none specified) 519-01-0768 Idaho SS-5 Letter
ARTHUR MARSHALL 05 May 1883 Sep 1970 20906 (Silver Spring, Montgomery, MD) (none specified) 577-14-0627 District of Columbia SS-5 Letter
If none of these are he perhaps someone on Ancestry could look at WWI draft reg cards for him...
Jackie M.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9284 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2009 : 17:33:42
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On ancestry.com there are 19 men registering for WWI draft born in Norway with birth year of 1883. None in May, none named Arthur, Andreas or Nilssen. Good idea to check tho.
I also tried other sorting methods such as all men with birth date of 5 may 1883 and name Arthur or Nilsson etc. with no luck. |
Edited by - AntonH on 06/09/2009 18:06:24 |
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Geir Dybvig
Medium member
Norway
97 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2009 : 18:28:26
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Emigrants from Trondheim 19.september 1883 to Hull in Great Britain, final destination Chicago.
Jon Nilss. unmarried seaman 25 years old.
Artur Dybvig 4 mnth.
Iabella Nilss. unmarried 27 years old.
As we can see some letters are missing in the registration.
Isabella Dorthea Nilssen was born 5.mars 1833.
Arthur Andreas was born 9.may 1883
Isabellas ticket was payed from US.
Arthur and Jon's was payed in Norway. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2009 : 19:26:15
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Hi,
SSDI has 13 Arthur of every last name born 9 May 1883 but no other obvious connection to Arthur Dybvig.
Who did Isabella know in U.S. who would've paid her ticket other than John Martin Dybvig?
Jackie M.
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Geir Dybvig
Medium member
Norway
97 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2009 : 18:21:33
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As far as I know it was John M. who payed for her. Thats what I always have been told, and the passanger record from Trondheim only tell "payd in US".
John's first child with Amalie was born sept. 1889, and I think he married Amalie before that.
But he never married Isabella.
So the big question that noone have managed to get an answer on yet is, what happend with Isabella and Arthur.
On Ancestry emigration/imigration there is one Isabella Niles. who came from Southampton UK, but I have not been able to see the details. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9284 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2009 : 21:49:19
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I tried searching ancestry.com emigration/immigration for an Isabella Niles leaving from Southampton but only came up empty. The only one that comes close to your comment in the above posting is going in the other direction.. From New York to Southampton. See below.
Name: Isabella Niles
Birth Date: abt 1862
Age: 58
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 15 Jul 1920
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Cherbourg
Ship Name: Imperator
If you can direct my search with more information I will try again.
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Geir Dybvig
Medium member
Norway
97 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2009 : 20:43:33
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| Sorry, you are right and I'm wrong. I have misread on ancestory. |
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joyhart
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 13/09/2009 : 17:48:35
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John M. Dybvig
Spouse: AMALIE SIMONSON
Marriage: 15 MAY 1886, Cook County, Illinois
John Martin Dybvig died Aug. 24, 1939 in Chicago.
You wrote that Isabella was born in 1833. Are you sure that's correct?! |
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Geir Dybvig
Medium member
Norway
97 Posts |
Posted - 14/09/2009 : 07:09:10
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| She was 27 when she went from Norway, so it should be about 1855 I think. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9284 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2009 : 02:34:00
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Here is a very good candidate. She is travelling with John Nilson, 25 years old. The orginal manifest is difficult to read but I would interpret it to read that the two of them John and Isabella are travelling with an infant. Interpreted that way the infant is not named.
Name: Isabella D Nilsen
Arrival Date: 10 Oct 1883
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Lord Clive
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Last Residence: Norway
Birthplace: Norway
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9284 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2009 : 02:40:44
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Here is the information on Joh Nilsen. All obtained from Ancestry.com
Name: Joh Nilsen
Arrival Date: 10 Oct 1883
Age: 25 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Lord Clive
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Last Residence: Norway
Birthplace: Norway
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Geir Dybvig
Medium member
Norway
97 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2009 : 07:17:26
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| :) YES! I agree with you, it must be them. Now we know that they realy came to US. 1000 thank's for your great help so far. Do you know if there was some counting's befor census 1900 ? |
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Arthur Andreas Dybvig to US about 1883
