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neil99anderson
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 Posted - 09/09/2009 : 00:41:43
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My maternal grandmother disappears from the records that I can find after May of 1867 - somewhere between Quebec and Grantsburg, Wisconsin. I like to find some leads on what happened.
Anne was born 18 March 1835, Ringebu, Oppland, Norway. 7 May 1861, she married the widower,John Engebretsen Presttangen (b. 20 August 1818) and had one child, Mathias (b. 30 December 1865).
In March 1867, Ringebu parish records show John, Anne and Mathias emigrating to "Amerika" with John's older son (first marriage), Engebreth Johnsen, his wife Ronnaug, and their daughter Berthe.
Their names are found on the passenger list for the bark "Johannes Rod", sailing 26 April 1867 from Christiana, Norway and arriving 30 May in Quebec.
They all (with the exception of Anne) appear in the 1870, 1880 and 1900 US Census returns for Grantsburg, Burnett County, Wisconsin. However by 1880 John is remarried to a Sarah Larson.
Any information on how or where Anne Pedersdatter Engebretson disappears in that three year period (1867-1870) would be a help. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2009 : 02:11:15
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Perhaps this is the record of her death.
Name: Anna Engebretsen
Death Date: 25 Jul 1880
County: Barron
Volume: 01
Page #: 0013
Reel: 003
Image: 0360
ImageNum: 101333
Sequence #: 096823
Level Info: Wisconsin Vital Records Death Index
The date of death is latter than you had indicated it would be and the county is Barron not Burnett, but it is the closest match in Wisconsin Deaths 1820 to 1907. Also Burnett and Barron are adjacent counties.
from ancestry.com |
Edited by - AntonH on 09/09/2009 04:11:23 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2009 : 02:24:44
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Here are the deaths listed for Engebretsen for Wisconsin Deaths 1820 to 1907
Anna Engebretsen 25 Jul 1880 Barron 01 003
Pearl Engebretsen 17 Apr 1883 Walworth 01 130
Ida K Engebretsen 16 Aug 1888 Jackson 01 036
Julia Engebretsen 17 Apr 1904 Waupaca 02
Engebretsen 29 Dec 1905 Oconto 02 102
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2009 : 02:30:54
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Using the spelling Engbretson turns up only one name.
E Engebretson 22 Oct 1880 Racine
Using the spellilng from the 1870 US Census comes up with only one name near the date you are looking at.
Ingebrigtson 28 Sep 1883 Dane |
Edited by - AntonH on 09/09/2009 02:46:04 |
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neil99anderson
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Canada
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Posted - 10/09/2009 : 01:35:35
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Thanks for the suggestions, however if Anne did live past 1870, it begs the question, where? I've checked the 1870 and 1880 census listing using every variation I can think of for a last name: engebretsen, engebretson, ingebretson, ingebrightson, pederson, peterson, peddersdatter, and even the farm name, presttangen or priestangen. No good results.
I suspect that she died in transit to Wisconsin but I'm not sure how or if its possible to find out where and when.
There was a family story that Mathias had been a "tag baby" or "baggage baby" - that John had immigrated first leaving Anne and Mathias in Norway because Anne had become sick. Supposedly Mathias had come across as a boy in the care of the ship's crew after Anne died. But that family legend seems to be disproved since their names are all on the ship's passenger manifest and Mathias (age 4) appears with John on the 1870 census. So I suppose that is no help.
I'm hesitant to order any of the original death rec ords that have been suggested without having stronger evidence that its for the right person. Can anyone tell me what additional information I'd be able to get from one of those records? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2009 : 04:32:30
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The only death certificate worth looking at from my list b]above is that for Anna Engbersen, died 28 July 1880. I have not looked at Wisconsin Death Certificates but I have looked at many from the State of Minnesota. The amount of information on the Certificate can very greatly. In your case you would hope that it would tell you something about the persons immediate family. If you are interested it can be ordered at.
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/vitalrecords/index.asp |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/09/2009 : 18:10:12
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Hi,
You could also try for a funeral record. In transit a church might be hard to figure out but after they settled in a place they may have attended a Norwegian Lutheran church. All American Lutheran church registers were microfilmed in the 1970s and are available for loan through the archivist at www.elca.org Rental fee is spendy.
Although Wisconsin was at least a generation out of pioneer status in 1867-1870, I have found that sometimes when a family has finally settled, they then opt for a funeral many years after the person's demise. Which makes this a long shot but worth checking, exercising due diligence.
Jackie M. |
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neil99anderson
New on board
Canada
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 08:00:35
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Another possible clue: John's older son, Engebrigt Johnson and wife Ronaug appear on the 1870 census with 2 children. The 2nd, child, Johanna, was born in Oct. 1869 in Minnesota.
There's a strong possibility that the entire group (including John, Mathias and possibly Annie) was living in Minnesota at this time - before they came to Grantsburg. |
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Richard Schumacher
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 11/09/2009 : 19:48:37
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Look at the actual dates on the 1880 census. It may have been taken after she died. I doubt that Burrnett county actually existed in 1870 and possibly in 1880 and the location may have been in Barron County.
Burnett County was originally in Barron Country. Barron County was divided by splitting off Washburn County and Burnett Counties. The current and recent Barron County abuts both Washburn and Burnett counties. The splits occurred just after 1880, but I cannot remember the exact dates or sequencing of the splits.
One Norwegian branch of my family tree has the Ringebu immigrants settling in the corner near Barron, Burnett and Washburn counties. Their descendants may have been born in one county, lived in another, went to school in another and buried in another.
Some ancestors of mine are buried in the Timberland Ringebu Cemetery in Timberland Township, Burnett County, Wisconsin. Others are buried several miles away in the Lakeside Cemetery. in Barronett Township, Washburn County, Wisconsin (located less the a mile from Barronett, Barron County, Wisconsin). I do not have the dates when the cemeteries were established. Neither cemetery have a real caretaker and a listing of could be hard to get unless you make some calls.
I just went through both cemeteries and shot photos of the stones of people I suspected were possible relatives and compared the names and dates to the 1880. 1900 and 1910 records and family reports. |
Edited by - Richard Schumacher on 12/09/2009 04:19:08 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2009 : 17:24:30
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Here is the relevant data from the 1880 US Census obtained from ancestry.com. The census was taken on June 1, 1880 and shows John already married. My citatation above for Anna Engebretsen reports that she died in July of 1880 making it less likely that she is the correct person.
Name: John Engebretson
Home in 1880: Grantsburg, Burnett, Wisconsin
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Birthplace: Nor
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Father's birthplace: Nor
Mother's birthplace: Nor
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Household Members: Name Age
John Engebretson 62
Sarah Engebretson 62
Mathias Engebretson 14
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