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elizabethanderssen
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 Posted - 13/09/2009 : 06:20:57
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I wonder if someone would be kind enough to translate the birth register for me at the following link:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070329640676.jpg
The entry is the third one down, left hand page. It is for Henrich Christian Tha..? Last name of Wölner.
Thanks so much,
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eibache
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Posted - 13/09/2009 : 07:14:18
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Henrich Christian Thaulow was born April 9 1818 and baptized June 7. His parents were police officer Johan Andreas Wølner and his wife Sophie Frederike Tønder.
In a note is stated that Henrich Christian was the husbands 3rd child and the wifes 4th child.
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elizabethanderssen
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Posted - 20/09/2009 : 08:25:44
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| Thank-you, thank-you, you are very kind. |
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 20/09/2009 : 10:04:08
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I don't know if you have seen the baptismal record for Henrich Christians father Johan Andreas, but just to show you it is the one next to the last record on right page. Johan Andreas was baptized Sept 11 1780. Henrich Christians grandfather then is Monseigneur Christian Wølner.
Henrich Christians uncle Christian was baptized Febr 25 1774, see 5th record from bottom of right page.
His other uncle Carl Engenius was born Febr 13 1777, see 3rd record on right page.
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Edited by - eibache on 20/09/2009 15:57:55 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/09/2009 : 16:27:27
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Monseigneur Christian Andreas Wølner and maiden Olea Cathrine Margrethe Jonsdatter, Hoff were married with exemption from prior engagement on Dec 12 1771, see 8th couple in second column.
They had their first child Peter Anthony baptized April 11 1772, see 2nd record right page.
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elizabethanderssen
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 05:48:32
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| Finally managed to get back here. Thank-you so very much. No, I would not have seen any of those entries without your help. Presumably the exemption from prior engagement was due to the fact that the bride was pregnant. Can you tell me what Monseigneur mean in Norwegian ? I only know it from the French. |
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eibache
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 07:45:08
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Can you tell me what Monseigneur mean in Norwegian ? I only know it from the French.
- same meaning as in French.
Henrich Christians grandfather Monseigneur Christian Wølner was born in 1745 and baptized July 7, see 4th from bottom of right page.
His father was Andreas Wølner who was married to Isabella Jørgensdatter Schrøder Oct 31 1737, see last couple in right column on left page.
Andreas Wølner and Isabella Jørgensdatter had the following children in addition to Christian:
Anne Margrethe Wølner, bapt. Aug 9 1738
Maren Wølner, bapt. Dec 23 1739
Jørgen Wølner, bapt. Febr 10 1742
Petronelle Wølner, bapt. June 15 1743
Georgine Christine Wølner, bapt. Febr 13 1748
Jørgen Wølner, bapt. Sept 12 1750
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 12:31:15
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Christian Wølner was empolyed in silver mines at Kongsberg Sølvverk.
His father Andreas Wølner was "Hyttemester" master of the Smelting Cabin from March 19. 1738, mentioned 1747 and 1767.
Andreas Wølner was born to Christian Wølner Mai 1710, christened June 6.
6 juni Christan Wølners Søn (Son) Andreas, see last baptism on left hand here
Andreas Wølner died as a married man at age 86 1/2 in 1796, the funeral was in the cemetry at Kongsberg church on Nov. 22. see last posting in 3. column here
Christian Wølner was born in Germany about 1671 and was emplyed as a "Understiger" foreman in "Gabe Gottes" silver-mine in 1696 (Gabe Gottes means Gods Help in German) and "Oberstiger" master foreman 1704,, "Geschworner" assistent to the Director of the Silver mines Nov. 24. 1704, the salary in 1723 was 250 Riksdaler.
August 7. 1724 he was "Overpukkwervalter" master of the Quarry , the salary was 300 Riksdaler.
Christian Wølner retired with pension April 30. 1742.
The old Smelting Cabin was located by the water fall here, the photo show the new cabin from 1844
The heading "Geschworner" and "Oberstiger" is German, lots of German miners settled down in Kongsberg when the silver mines were opened and often German words for occupation were used.
Because of a large unemployment among German miners in the 1600 some of the early German engeneers were actually headhunted by the king.
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elizabethanderssen
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Posted - 09/10/2009 : 02:06:52
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I am overwhelmed by the wonderful information and your kindness. Thank-you seems very inadequate. This means so much to me. Thanks to both of you so much :-)
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 09/10/2009 : 07:47:43
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You are welcome Elizabeth.
Elizabeth Jørgensdatter Schrøder was born to Jørgen Andresen (Andersen) Schrøder born on farm Brønstad in Øvre Sandsvær municipality, baptised in Hedenstad church on Feb. 27. 1689, his father was Andres/Anders Schrøder Brønstad.
See 10 and 11 line from top left hand, his fathers name is underlined here.
Hed: Andres Schrøder Brønstads Søn (Son) Jørgen
Brønstad is to the left just outside "bilde 4" photo nr 4 from the church.
Andres Schrøder was also spelled Anders Schrøder.
He was bap. Anders Hansen Schrøder born on farm Søndre (Southern) Mørk 1663 to Hans Schrøder.
Andres bought both of the Bønstad (Southern and Northern)farms within 1723 and two other farms, Påterud and Hagen, so he was rather wealthy, because ot that his name was underlined.
His son Antonius Schrøder 1696-1744 married to Anne Barth b. 1689, buried 1719 in Kongsberg, he married again in 1720 to Christine Hansdatter Wadbech still lived on Brønstad in 1750, takes over Søndre Brønstad about 1723 .
Anders Schrøder married Sept. 19.1686 in Sandsvær to Christine Haagensdatter born about 1662, see top left hand here:
Festum Michaleis "Mikkelsmesse" (Michaelmas) "copu..."married Andres Hansen Skrøder paa (on) Brønstad og Christine Haagensdatter.
Christina Haagensdatter died in Kongsberg, buried Sept. 10. 1744, see 6. line from top left column underlined:
Christina til Andres Schrøder Brønstad, see here
Anders Schrøder died on Nordre (Northern) Brønstad at age 77, buried Sept. 1. 1741, see 4. column 5. line from top:
Hed: Andres Schrøder gl.(old) 77 aar (years), see here
Anders Schrøder was "Lensman" Sheriff in Sandsvær from 1693-1721 as the first regular Sheriff in Sandsvær.
He was until 1692 "Vielsesmann" allowed to marry people and arrange weddings.
In 1735 he allowed some farmers from Telemark to cut timber along the Sandsvær border. For this he was taken to court by the authorities, the court-case lasted for almost five years.
He was judged to sell most of the forest to the Silver mine company in 1739, he was allowed to keep some nearby forest, for this loss he recieved a compensation of 600 Riksdaler in money.
The forest, about 440 acres, was returned to the Brønstad farms in 1863.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 09/10/2009 : 10:09:35
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Anders Hansen Schrøder was born to Hans Schrøder and Anne Olsdatter.
Hans was from Sweden, known as "Hans Kullbrenner" (Hans Charcoal-burner) because he produesed Charcoal for the forges or the Smelting Cabin to silver mine company.
Hans is mentioned om Mørk 1657 and 1667. He married Anne Olsdatter in Sandsvær before 1641 when a daughter Barbara 1641-1712 was born. When Anne died Hans married Else Jacobsdatter, her part in Mørk was sold 1686 to Barbara Hansdr. Schrøder married to Antinius Nolt born in Germany, "Bergmann" (Silver-miner) in "Gott Allein Die Ehre Grube" (Gods Honour Alone Mine) opened 1630.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 10/10/2009 18:11:21 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 09/10/2009 : 11:07:59
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Probate register after Christine Barth, she was Jørgen Schrøders wife, she married as a widow a 2. time to Zacharias Berbohm, see here.
- Arvelater (Late) Christine Barth died Nov. 23. 1746, married before.
- Late husband Zacharias Berbom citizen died before 1737
- heir daughter Isabella Schrøder
- other son-in-law Andreas Wølner master of the Smelting cabin
- heir daughter Catarine Jørgensdatter Schrøder
- other son-in-law Jørgen Køster, "myntsmed) smith (making coins) at the Royal Mint.
- heir daughter Georgine Maria Berbom 9 yeras
- other guardian Hans Daniel Lyng Post master
- other brother Jonas Barth
- other stepson Bertel Berbohm
- other stepdaughter Annechen Maria Berbohm
- other stepson-in-law Jørgen Mortensen master foreman
- other stepson- in-law Povel Trods married before April 16.1739 to a daughter of Zacharis Berbohm
Probate register after Christine Haagensdatter where Isabella Catrine Schrøder is mentioned here, its a large register, some new roles appears here to be translated:
Sønnedatter (the son´s daughter (Christine Haagensdatter´s grandaughter), datter (daughter) svigerinne (sister-in-law), sønnesønn (the son´s son), dattersønn (the daughter´s son), sønn (son), død (dead), enkemann (widower), g.m. (married to), forlengst myndig (magisterial some time ago)
Christine Haagensdatter lived in Christopher Schrøders house in Kongsberg owned by her son.
More information on this family will come later, need some time to sort out my papers.
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elizabethanderssen
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Posted - 09/10/2009 : 19:41:49
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Oh my goodness - this is like winning the lottery - at least that's how I imagine it must feel!
Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you! |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/10/2009 : 22:47:21
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You are welcome.
If it should occur to me winning in Lotto it`s always the traditional 10 Dollar.
I will try to bring up another branch for you tomorrow, the Barth family.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/10/2009 : 11:39:47
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From the probate register for Isabelle Jørgensdatter Schrøders mother Christine Barth married 2. time to Zacharias Berbohm.
Isabelle´s father Jørgen Andersen Schrøder married Christine Barth in Kongsberg July 22. 1713, 2. column 25. line from top, see here.
Die: 22 july Jørgen Ander Christine Barth
Christine Barth was born to Casper Barth, "Stempelskjærer", Engraver, preparing the tool/stamp for the coin-production in the Royal Mint from 1686- 1708
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Kåarto
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Posted - 10/10/2009 : 17:02:28
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Casper Barth July 16. 1651-July 2. 1708, buried July 9. see left hand 17. line from bottom, Die 9. Kaspar Barth.
Kasper Barth spend 4 years at the Mint in Oslo until he moved back to Kongsberg about 1886. In Olso he married Margrete Andersdatter Warbjerg from Kongsberg in Old Aker church in Oslo Nov. 21. 1683, mid. 3. column Casper Bart Margrete Andersdatter, here.
Margrete Warbjerg died Oct. 5. buried Oct. 11. 1699 in Kongsberg, see central right page 5. line abowe from the date 1700, right from the small nr. 11/10, Margrete Warbjerg.
Engraves done by Casper in Oslo on 5 coins and 4 medals are kept in the museum. This was in connection to king Christian V visit 1685.
Here is 4 of Caspers work from the Royal Mint in Kongsberg from 1686-94-99 and 1794 which were enlarged and fastened to the rail on the city-bridge when it was fixed a few years ago, see here.
Casper was born to Daniel Barth and Mette Scneberg.
It´s much information about Daniel Barth online and in local books so I will try to sort out the most "important" .
Kåre
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Help with translation , please
