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kemb
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 Posted - 22/09/2009 : 10:09:31
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Kristine Pedersen,(born in Norway 1868 )did have daughter Signe Kaspara born 1893 in Larvik,the father was Carl Anton Andersen,sailor. Parents not married.
Signe Kaspara goes to Amerika in 1901,8 years old. In the passenger list for the ship Hekla it is noted that she is going to Mr.Ludvig Svensen in Pennsylvania,and mother..
There are reasons to belive that her mother Kristine married Mr.Svensen,because when Signe is getting married she notes her mothers name as Kristine Svenson---
My big problem is that I do not find any trace of Kristine or Ludvig-- the only thing I can find is when Signe is born--in churchbook for Larvik.
Anyone out there who can help? |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/09/2009 : 15:13:07
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From the emigration record I see Henry Pedersen 8 years next to Signe Kaspara
The baptismal record for Signe Kaspara, see #108 I find one of the witnesses "Snedker August Pedersen" and in the baptismal record for Henry Pedersen, see #110 the father is August Pedersen Snedker living in Nedre Bøgeligate 10.
Signe Kasparas mother Kristine Pedersen was also living in Nedre Bøgeligt 10 in 1893 and Eleonore Pedersen who informed about the "leiermål" and was one of the witnesses was living in nedre Bøgeligate and was born in Sweden.
Most likely Kristine and August were siblings and they could have been born in Sweden.
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Edited by - eibache on 22/09/2009 15:44:27 |
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kemb
Junior member
Norway
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Posted - 22/09/2009 : 19:44:21
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Thank you so much- I did have a look at churchbook for Henrys christening,mother Pauline Larsen and father August was married june 22 1893,but here the name of Pauline is Karoline Olsen??-In this record it says that August is born in Arlanda,Vermeland april 13 1865 and that he had his confirmation in Fredrikstad oct 5 1879- -I did not find that,but I will check out swedish "husførhør " and see what I can come up with.
However there is stil the question on when Kristine left Norway and went to Amerika,I do guess it had to be before 1900., because in The census for Hedrum in Vestfold in 1900 her daughter Signe Kaspara is "in catering" at the place Gulserød.
So I am still trying to find Kristine and Ludvig in Amerika-- so I have to do add that Signe got married to another norwegian in Amerika,Harold Christopher Halvorsen born april 21 1887
in Skoger. They got married dec 14 1914 in Philadelphia,Pennsylvania- |
karibeth |
Edited by - kemb on 22/09/2009 20:22:23 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/09/2009 : 22:56:26
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Henry Pedersen who emigrated in 1901 was a foster cild in Brunlanes in 1900
Where did you find the marriage record for his parents? |
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Edited by - eibache on 22/09/2009 23:05:52 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 02:00:04
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Here is the arrival record for Henry Pedersen. He is travelling with Signe Andersen also 8, they are listed as going to New York to meet Ludvig Svendsen Philadelphia, The address is given but I could not read it. Passage paid for by Magnus Borgersen.
Name: Henry Pedersen
Arrival Date: 6 Oct 1901
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Age: 8
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Christiania
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Norwegian
Ship Name: Hekla
Search Ship Database: Search the Hekla in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
from Ancestry .com
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 02:03:57
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Here is the information on the person travelling with Henry Pedersen. I assume this is the Signe listed above.
Name: Signe Andersen
Arrival Date: 6 Oct 1901
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Age: 8
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Christiania
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Norwegian
Ship Name: Hekla
Search Ship Database: Search the Hekla in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Note a Magna M. Borgersen is the name directly below that of Signe.
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Edited by - AntonH on 23/09/2009 02:06:19 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 02:10:34
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This is the person directly below Signe and probably the same person listed as having paid for the voyage.
Name: Magna M Borgersen
Arrival Date: 6 Oct 1901
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Age: 27 Years 5 Months
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Christiania
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Norwegian
Ship Name: Hekla
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 04:24:25
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This is likely Signe now married but still living in Philadelphia from the 1920 US Census,
Name: Signe Halverson
Home in 1920: Philadelphia Ward 48, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age: 27 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Harold
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Year of Immigration: 1900
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 408
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harold Halverson 34
Signe Halverson 27
Clara Halverson 2 9/12
Harrold Halverson 11/12
What is a puzzle is the great difficulty in finding Ludvig and Kristine Svendsen. They must be in Philadelphia in this time frame.
From Ancestry.com
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 04:57:15
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This is likely Signe and family in a suburb of Philadelphia in 1930 US Census.
Name: Signa Halverson
Home in 1930: Darby, Delaware, Pennsylvania
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Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Harold
Race: White
Household Members: Name Age
Harold Halverson 42
Signa Halverson 36
Elva Halverson 13
Harold Halverson 11
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kemb
Junior member
Norway
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 09:08:07
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 That is all correct, thank you lyndal-and I do belive that Kristine died before 1914-Signe get her papers for marriage and sign as Signe Grenager., dec 15 1914 issued by Orphan Court of Philadelphia County .She states name of parents Anton Andersen and Christine.She gives mothers name as Kristine Svenson. What Signe told family is that Kristine died,"father" (she must have ment Mr.Svenson),remarried,then he dies and stephmother marry Anton Grenager. All very confusing. And Karl Anton Andersen ,guess Kristine never married him-
And in the ship manifest for Hekla 1901 there is a Caroline Hansen going to Anton Grenager in Philadelphia--
Eichbache,marriage for parents of Henry is from Larvik 1893-married jun.22; August Persson(pedersen) snedker og Karoline Olsen,han bosatt N.Bøgelig.10
I did mention earlier that August had his confirmation in Fredrikstad 1879-but it says Fredrikshald not Fredrikstad-that means it was in Halden- and I looked it up : his parents was :Aron Persson and Lisa Andersdatter.
Halden 1869-1884 page 454 and number 22-
No trace of Kristine---if she was born 1868 and are sister of August-she would have her confirmation in 1883-84-but I do not find anything-
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 11:08:18
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August Person, Møllearbeider came from Fredrikshald to Larvik in 1885, see #24
August Person (Pedersen) and Karoline Olsen (from Brunlanæs) were married July 14 1893, see #7
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 15:36:20
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Thank you Kari, that answers where was Signe in the 1910 US Census, This person kept popping up in my searches but the name did not fit so I ignored her. Here is Singe in 1910.
Name: Signe Grenager
Age in 1910: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Servant
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Home in 1910: Norristown Ward 5, Montgomery, Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Year of Immigration: 1902
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary D Cook 68
Edith H Cook 41
Ellen M Cook 33
Jane Nickols 50
Signe Grenager 17
Jesse Georger Reilley 60
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kemb
Junior member
Norway
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 18:51:16
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I am trying to connect Kristine and August ,to find out if they were siblings,but I do guess I will have to go check the Swedish Husførhørsbøkene to find out-
So far we do know that Signe went to Amerika on ship Hekla in 1901 and that she was travelling with:
Caroline Hansen,going to Anton Grenager in Philadelphia
Margit Halvorsen going to Portland
Anna Elg. going to Laura Nilsd. in New York
Anna Sophie Andersen going to Boston
Magna M Borgersen going to Boston and
Henry Pedersen .
Signe and Henry are going to Mr. Ludvig Svendsen 132 Carp.str. in Philadelphia-and to mother it says-
So we do know that Kristine left for Amerika before 1900-or early same year-because daughter Signe Kaspara is living at Gulserød in Hedrum in 1900-
Henry is a fosterchild in Brunlanes in 1900
We do know that Signe got married in USA to Halvord Halvorsen from Skoger in 1914
Signe signed her marriage papers with Signe Grenager-and stated her mothers name as Kristine Svenson,
So we do know alot about Signe - and almost nothing about her mother Kristine-- her father Carl Anton Andersen and Mr.Ludvig Svenson and Anton Grenager-
This is a big puzzle,lots of names involved,and places- and connections to be made-
and I am grateful for all the help I get
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 21:46:20
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In Signe Kasparas baptismal record her father is recorded as a widower and sailor.
In the 1865 census one Karl Anton is found in Tjølling, he was a sailor and born in Sandeherred.
His baptismal record is #92 |
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Edited by - eibache on 24/09/2009 23:08:56 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 22:25:35
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There is not a lot to be found when we search for these people but things do turn up as we continue looking. I found this on a Anton M Grenager. It is a two page document with very little useful informaion. It was executed on June 16, 1896. So we know he was in the US then. His address is given as 953 South Front Street, Philadelphia, PA. A second document immediately following the first in the search file is probably the first application for naturalization as it was executed on January 26, 1891. He is listed as a native of Norway.
Name: Anton M Grenager
State: Pennsylvania
Court Type: District Court
Court Location: Eastern District, Pennsylvania
Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization
Roll Description: (Roll 050) Petition Nos. 3261-3835
Archive: National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Collection Title: Naturalization Petitions for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, 1795-1930
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 23/09/2009 : 22:48:17
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I wonder if this family found in the 1900 US Census fits. The spelling is off, but that might be why we have had such great difficulty finding them. But this would mean that an Anton Grenager married Kristine. Does that make any sense.
Name: Atony Graningan
Home in 1900: Philadelphia Ward 1, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age: 36
Birth Date: Mar 1864
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1889
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Spouse's Name: Christione
Marriage year: 1898
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 2
Residence : Philadelphia City, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Atony Graningan 36
Christione Graningan 31
Anna M Graningan 1
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