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davidlasch
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 Posted - 02/03/2010 : 23:54:38
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I have an old family chart with Andrine THUE b. 27/9/1834 in Christiania. She married Carl Ludvig Arnesen 31/12/1859?
I believe they lived in Fredrikstad, where Carl Ludvig Arnesen was born in 1835. Andrine died in 1912 and Carl Ludvig in 1913.
I can not find information on Andrine and am not sure where to look for her baptism record or their marriage record to see if there are clues to her parents.
I believe Andrine had a brother Axel who moved to the United States.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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AntonH
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 04:34:55
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You could try searching the Norwegian Census specifically the 1865. . Using the NHDC site. Putting in Carl Arnesen and checking Østfold the county finds only one Carl Ludwig Arnesen, unfortunately he was born in 1861
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eibache
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 06:39:44
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I believe they were married Dec 31 1858 in Trefoldighet parish, see #110 Carl Ludvig was then 23 years old, born in Fredrikstad and his father was Johannes Arnesen.
Andrines maiden name was Amundsen, she was 24 years old born in Christiania and her father was Lars Amundsen.
In 1865 they had two daughters and were living at Grønlandsleret 41.
The oldest daughter Camilla Marie was born Aug 16 1859, see #200 and the family was then living at Smedgangen 4.
The youngest daughter Betzy Augusta was born Sept 11 1863, see #224, the family was now living at Hospitalsgaden 4.
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eibache
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 07:34:13
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Andrine Amundsen was born Oct 5 1834, see #6 her parents were carpenter Lars Amundsen and Marie Ingebrethsdatter living at Ruseløkbakken, øverste Linie.
Carl Ludvig Arnesen was born Oct 4 1835, see #24 his parents were carpenter Johannes Arnesen and Kari Syversdatter. (some uncertainty about the fathers last name - could be Christensen).
The uncertainty comes from their marriage record, see #7 Johannes Christensen married Kari Syversdatter April 5 1836, he was then 27 years old and was born in Christiania, his father was Christen Arnesen.
Kari was at Østberg, she was 26 years old and born in Valdres.
Carl Ludvig was actually born out of wedlock, he was baptized the same day as the marriage.
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davidlasch
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 14:03:57
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Thank you for all your help! This is a wealth of information. Checking the census data it looks like Carl Ludvig only used Ludvig and he shows up in 1865, 75, and 1900.
The old chart that was given to me by an elderly cousin in Oslo in 1980 helped for sure. Wonder why she had Andrine with the name of THUE but it looks like Camilla had a godparent named Emil Thue -so somehow that name ended up on Andrine. I am happy to recognize her with her real name now!
Camilla Marie was my great grandmother. She married Anton IVERSEN (son of Petter Julius Iversen and Cathine Fredriksen). They had 4 children I believe born in Fredrikstad before moving to the USA. The oldest was Louis born in Dec 1881. Adelaide b. ?, Sigrid Bertha b. 1887, Bjorne b ?. I believe they arrived in Brooklyn in 1896.
Family stories have Anton as a Captain and that he went to his boat on his silver wedding anniversary and went missing supposedly drowned in an accident.. I have been unable to verify the story or find any accounts of his death. Camilla is listed as his widow in 1905 in directories.
Assuming he did die on his 25 anniversary that would probably mean they were married in Fredrikstad in the late 1870's to 1880. Are there searchable records for then? I did not see those years listed.
Thanks - I will see where the information you gave me leads now! |
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eibache
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 16:11:34
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The record for Louis, see #7 he was born Dec 2 1882 and baptized Lovis Jaldemar. His father was first mate and they were living at Holmen i Vestre Fredrikstad.
Most likely marriage and baptism of the other children can be found in Vestre Fredrikstad Parish registers. |
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davidlasch
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 16:16:22
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1865 Census Fredrikstad has Johannes Arnesen b. 1811 in Christiana and Karen Syversen b. 1809 in Hedemarken.
1875 Census Fredrkstad has Johannes Arnesen b. 1809 in Christiania and Charn Syversdatter b. 1808 in Vangs. Pr.
Where do you think I should look for their birth records?
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davidlasch
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 16:21:25
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Originally posted by eibache
The record for Louis, see #7 he was born Dec 2 1882 and baptized Lovis Jaldemar. His father was first mate and they were living at Holmen i Vestre Fredrikstad.
Thankyou! I see the names on the right side - Karl Ludvig Arnesen, Johannes Arnesen, Andrine, Betzy Arnesen. Are these listed because they are grandparents or Godparents? |
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davidlasch
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 16:24:16
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[quote]Originally posted by eibache
The record for Louis, see #7 he was born Dec 2 1882 and baptized Lovis Jaldemar. His father was first mate and they were living at Holmen i Vestre Fredrikstad.
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Is Holmen i Vestre an area or a street name? Trying to decipher what all these terms mean so I can keep searching without asking so many questions. I appreciate all the information you have given me! |
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davidlasch
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eibache
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 19:52:31
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I see the names on the right side - Karl Ludvig Arnesen, Johannes Arnesen, Andrine, Betzy Arnesen. Are these listed because they are grandparents or Godparents?
godparents - not unusual that grandparents were used as godparents.
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Is Holmen i Vestre an area or a street name
Holmen means the small island and would be an area, several families were living there as can be seen from other baptismal records. If it had been a street the ending would have been "gade".
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eibache
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 20:05:17
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Anton Julius baptismal record from the Glemmen parish is #79.
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eibache
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 20:16:29
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Now I see this record which has more information but not as easy to read! What is the difference between these 2 records? I can't make out much of what this says - are there any good clues in it?
this is from the official book = Ministerialbok, the other was from the copy = Klokkerbok (which many times have much nicer handwriting!)
more info: both fathers names are given, painter Peter Julius Iversen and Karl Julius Arnesen (his profession ?) and Kamilla Marie was confirmed in 1874 in Christiania.
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Andrine Thue m. Carl Ludvig Arnesen
