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davidlasch
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 Posted - 03/03/2010 : 20:23:30
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[quote]Originally posted by eibache
Andrine Amundsen was born Oct 5 1834, see #6 her parents were carpenter Lars Amundsen and Marie Ingebrethsdatter living at Ruseløkbakken, øverste Linie.
Carl Ludvig Arnesen was born Oct 4 1835, see #24 his parents were carpenter Johannes Arnesen and Kari Syversdatter. (some uncertainty about the fathers last name - could be Christensen).
The uncertainty comes from their marriage record, see #7 Johannes Christensen married Kari Syversdatter April 5 1836, he was then 27 years old and was born in Christiania, his father was Christen Arnesen.
Kari was at Østberg, she was 26 years old and born in Valdres.
Carl Ludvig was actually born out of wedlock, he was baptized the same day as the marriage.
[/quoteSource information: Oslo county, Aker, Parish register (official) nr. 13 (1828-1837), Marriage records 1834, page 437.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7720&idx_id=7720&uid=ny&idx_side=-441
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061110020159.jpg
Do you think line 63 could be Andrines parents marriage? I can't really make out the name off the bride? |
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davidlasch
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 20:27:19
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Anton Julius baptismal record from the Glemmen parish is #79.
Oh my goodness how did you ever find that! It is so faded and impossible to read! Can you read more than his name? |
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eibache
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 20:48:39
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| The family moving out from Vestre Fredrikstad 1896, see #16-21 note the birth and baptismal dates. |
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eibache
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 20:56:32
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What is the difference between Fredrikstad and Vestre Fredrikstad?
parish history:
Fredrikstad parish covered Fredrikstad town and Glemmen parish. According to Royal Decree. 14.10.1882 the parish was divided in three from 01/01/1883: Østre (East) Fredrikstad, Vestre (West) Fredrikstad and Glemmen. Ecclesiastical actions for Vestre Fredrikstad (Forstaden) in the period before 1871 must be sought under Glemmen, which has its own parish registers from 1733. Vestre Fredrikstad have their own parish registers from 1871, placed under Vestre Fredrikstad. Østre Fredrikstad have their own parish registers from 1880, placed under Østre Fredrikstad. |
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eibache
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 21:16:14
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Oh my goodness how did you ever find that! It is so faded and impossible to read! Can you read more than his name?
Anton Julius born July 2 1851, baptized Oct 12 in Gleminge parish, parents painter Peter Julius Iversen and wife Cathrine Fredriksdatter in Forstaden.
Godparents P.O. Staffeladsen, Ole Gulbrandsen, Lars Marcelius Larsen, Anne Marie ?, Janette Marie Pedersen. |
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eibache
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 21:43:02
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Do you think line 63 could be Andrines parents marriage? I can't really make out the name off the bride?
- yes, it says:
bachelor and carpenter Lars Amundsen, 20 years old and widow Berthe Marie Ingebrethsdatter 30 years old living at Ruseløkkbakken were married Sept 5 1834.
Lars father was Amund Larsen and Berthe Maries father was Ingebreth Halvorsen.
Lars was born June 12 1814, see baptism July 3 his parents were Amund Larsen and Kala Svendsdatter, Sindsen.
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davidlasch
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 22:01:25
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Originally posted by eibache
[quote]Do you think line 63 could be Andrines parents marriage? I can't really make out the name off the bride?
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bachelor and carpenter Lars Amundsen, 20 years old and widow Berthe Marie Ingebrethsdatter 30 years old living at Ruseløkkbakken were married Sept 5 1834.
Lars father was Amund Larsen and Berthe Maries father was Ingebreth Halvorsen.
Lars was born June 12 1814, see baptism July 3 his parents were Amund Larsen and Kala Svendsdatter, Sinds
Now that is interesting - their daughter Andrine was only born a month later. I wonder if she was the daughter of the her first husband or of Lars? Do the death records show the spouses name if I search the prior 9 months to see when he died? |
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eibache
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 07:30:01
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line #58 Johann Frederik is a brother to Carl Ludvig. What does it say after his mothers name?
"Billentons Gaard" = Billentons house, i.e. place they were living.
Godparents: carpenter Frederik Arløw, wheelwright Frederik Arnesen, sailor Torp, Madame Ingeborg Billenton, maiden Sophie Thillesen.
I assume you have looked at this 1865 census.
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line #17 is a sister of Carl Ludvig and Johann Frederik
Godparents: Misses Maren Olsen, Maiden Karen Arnesen, carpenter Frederik Rød, wheelwright Frederik Arnesen, shoemaker Lars Olsen.
Cecilie Marie was baptized at home Jan 24 by Misses Stenberg. This was confirmed in church on May 27.
(In the census above she is married to Thorvald Kjøseth.)
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eibache
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 08:38:18
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Now that is interesting - their daughter Andrine was only born a month later. I wonder if she was the daughter of the her first husband or of Lars? Do the death records show the spouses name if I search the prior 9 months to see when he died?
- in this case it does - very nicely indeed, if you use the official parish registers.
(When widows/widowers married they had to show an attestation that the former estate had ben settled.) |
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eibache
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 10:43:10
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Some baptismal records for Anton Julius and Camilla Maries children:
Adeleide Katrine #106
Sigrid Bergitte #110
Bjarne Arthur #104
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davidlasch
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 13:46:34
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Originally posted by eibache
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line #58 Johann Frederik is a brother to Carl Ludvig. What does it say after his mothers name?
"Billentons Gaard" = Billentons house, i.e. place they were living.
Godparents: carpenter Frederik Arløw, wheelwright Frederik Arnesen, sailor Torp, Madame Ingeborg Billenton, maiden Sophie Thillesen.
I assume you have looked at this 1865 census.
[quote]line #17 is a sister of Carl Ludvig and Johann Frederik
Godparents: Misses Maren Olsen, Maiden Karen Arnesen, carpenter Frederik Rød, wheelwright Frederik Arnesen, shoemaker Lars Olsen.
Cecilie Marie was baptized at home Jan 24 by Misses Stenberg. This was confirmed in church on May 27.
(In the census above she is married to Thorvald Kjøseth.)
Thank you. I have not used this version of the census. I have been using the NHDC and finding them there. Is one better than the other to use? |
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davidlasch
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 13:50:13
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Now that is interesting - their daughter Andrine was only born a month later. I wonder if she was the daughter of the her first husband or of Lars? Do the death records show the spouses name if I search the prior 9 months to see when he died?
- in this case it does - very nicely indeed, if you use the official parish registers.
(When widows/widowers married they had to show an attestation that the former estate had ben settled.)
Thank you. I will see if I can find her first husband death record. Perhaps this is why my old chart has her last name as THUE not AMUNDSEN. Maybe Andrine had older 1/2 brothers with that name from her mothers first marriage. I will keep checking - thanks for the information! |
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Andrine Thue m. Carl Ludvig Arnesen
