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heidithoe
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 Posted - 14/03/2010 : 18:46:05
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Hello my fellow Norwegian Heritage fans.
My information states that my gggg-grandmother Gunhild Bjørnsdtr was born 6/30/1782, daughter of Bjørn Torgrimson and Asse Andersdtr in Maurud, Gransherad, Norway.
Image my excitement when I found this site:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wijuneau/havegen/pafg09.htm#3897
#162 is Bjørn Torgrimson.
Unfortunately, the Gunhild Bjørnsdotter only lived to 6 years old?
Having trouble confirming this is the same relative. I have used the resources listed on these posts, but my Norwegian language is poor and on top of that, I have troubles reading the handwritten script documents dated 1782.
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~ H Thoe ~ |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 14/03/2010 : 19:26:16
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It sure looks like the same Gunhild.
Here is the family in census-1801.
How have you traced your ancestry back to Gunhild Bjørnsdtr?
Jan Peter |
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heidithoe
Medium member
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Posted - 14/03/2010 : 20:54:54
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Hi Jan Peter,
I have a typed document stating the following:
Jacob Halvorsen Bredsvoll Hem (b-1770) married Gunhild Bjornsdtr (6/30/1782)
one of their daughters is Anne Jacobsdtr Hem (b-1810)
Don't know how many children they have? My research on this is coming up with tons of ?s
Anne Jacobsdtr Hem marries Christen Chritiansen Thoe (or To) on April 1st 1832 in Gransherad.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=115&uid=54844&urnread_imagesize=full&hode=nei&ls=1
They have 6 children
They emigrate to Wisconsin sometime between 1848 and 1852.
Their 4th child Halvor Chistenson Tho (or Thoe as we are now called) marries Helga Andersdtr
Their 5th child is Anton Thoe marries Anne Aasen
Their only son James is my grandfather.
Whoo, that's a lot of info... I get lost at Anne Jacobsdatter Hem.
- Heidi
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heidithoe
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Posted - 14/03/2010 : 20:57:35
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Could she have moved off the farm by then and married Jacob by the 1801 census? |
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 14/03/2010 : 21:19:09
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Their 4th child Halvor Chistenson Tho (or Thoe as we are now called) marries Helga Andersdtr
his baptismal record is 5.
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Jacob Halvorsen married Gunhild Bjornsdtr
see 3rd record on right page: Jacob Halvorsen married Gunnil Biørnsdatter, Hem on Oct 20 1806.
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Edited by - eibache on 14/03/2010 23:19:49 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/03/2010 : 22:13:04
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Gunnilds' parents could thus be Biørn Hansen & Anne Hansdatter. This Gunhild is christened 18 Jun 1780.
Census-1801
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Edited by - jwiborg on 14/03/2010 22:16:28 |
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heidithoe
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Posted - 14/03/2010 : 22:38:30
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Perfect, mange tukk to the both of you ...
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heidithoe
Medium member
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Posted - 15/03/2010 : 01:47:49
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How can I find when Anne Jacobdotter Hem's was christened?
Did Gunnild stay at the Hem farm or did she move to another farm when she married Jacob?
My records list Jacob (Gunnild's spouse) full name as Jacob Halvorsen Bredsvoll Hem. Could this be right?
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/03/2010 : 09:39:20
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Jacob was baptized at Gransherad church March 16 1771, see 4th record on left page, his parents were Halvor Bresvold and Anne Marie Tohe.
Jacob Halvorsen, his mother (widow) and brother and sister in 1801.
Gunnil Bjørnsdatter, her parents and siblings in 1801.
Anne Jacobsdatter will most likely be found either in Sauherad (where the parents married) or possibly in Hjartdal, both parishes in Telemark. |
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 15/03/2010 10:46:41 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/03/2010 : 11:01:55
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Anne Jacobsdatter was confirmed 1824, see #1, right page. It says that she was baptized in Gransherad Annex church March 31 1810, see last record in 2nd column. She was born Febr 28 1810, her parents Jacob H., Bresvold and Gunild Biørnsdatter.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/03/2010 : 11:18:09
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Christen Christiansen who married Anne Jacobsdatter could be Christian Christiansen, born June 19 1808, see 2nd record left column.
His father was Christian Halvorsen, Rugholdt under Bredsvold and his mother was Anne Leivsdatter.
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 15/03/2010 18:00:08 |
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heidithoe
Medium member
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Posted - 15/03/2010 : 15:34:45
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Wooo, scandalous––they were cousins it appears. Well I guess that was somewhat common back then?
What does Mugholdt under Bresvold mean?
And how did we get the Thoe name? Gggg grandma Annne Marie Tohe, or did Christen and Anne move off the Rugholt farm to the To farm in Gransherad?
There immigration docs say they were from Gransherad, but where?
I notice the municipality area changes names and borders through the years. Very confusing.
Eibache, your too kind! ... let me know if you happen upon questions on this same family, I would be glad to help them find their cousins here in the US! |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/03/2010 : 18:24:34
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What does Mugholdt under Bresvold mean?
- sorry for misspelling - should most likely have been Rugholt - subfarm under Bresvold if I am not mistaken.
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heidithoe
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Posted - 15/03/2010 : 23:33:44
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Eibache - That makes sense I will look into that.
Hopkins - I doubt we have royal blood, so this is one of those little dark secrets of the past.
Ecks, please don't compare the two countries, I would never do that. This is simply me stubbing through Norway's history.
I'm aware that Grasherad is in Telemark, but I having trouble determining what farms are considered Grasherad. I think that changes throught the years, as farms split off, as you say.
When you go back in the census and parish records it is Hjterdal, or Heddal to find Gransherad parish information. Gransherad is part of Nodden and finally became a municipality in the 1800's during the migration up the Tinn.
But there are a few Tho or To farms in the area. How can I be sure which one is the farm they had connection too. In otherwords, I'm not sure if the To farm in Hjterdal or the one in the town of Gransherad (part of the Li farm)?
Off to find a Bygebøker.
Thanks for the lead on the Bresvold name. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/03/2010 : 00:14:51
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Hi,
There were three Hem farms in 1801, Hem Nordre, Hem Søndre and Hem Lille where my gggrandmother Anne Jacobsdatter was born 1801.
When she married 1823 Rollev Hansen from Hem Søndre and Sigur Ellefsen from Hem Nordre were best men.
Hem is located north in Sauherad municipality at the south western side of Lake Hedalsvannet.
The christian cermonies was taken place in Sauherad Church from 1150.
Here is picture of the old bridal chair as the bride and the groom used.
It´s a while since I worked with Nordre and Søndre Hem, I remember that Nordre Hem goes back to Borgar Hem from the Gentry mentioned in a document 1337 and Søndre Hem which goes back to "Fehirde" the kings treasure master Mathias Torgeirsson in Tønsberg town which died during the Black plague 1349-50.
Hans Hansen and Bjørn Hansen Hem from the 1801 census were brothers and born to Hans Hansen Hem 1713- Nov. 3.1749 and Margit Bjørnsdatter 1723- March 8. 1798.
Any connection to the treasure master and to Nordre Hem I do not know at this time
A curiosity;
In 1800 there were 4 Hans Hansen living under the same roof in Søndre Hem, 3 in 1801, the 4. Hans age 24 worked in Skien town.
If you are interested I can put up a family tree, need some time to see how fare your family from Søndre Hem goes back.
Kåre
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heidithoe
Medium member
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Posted - 16/03/2010 : 01:09:06
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Oh, what a nice offer...
When I was first doing my research, I came upon a post from a couple years ago. You were advising some one on a Annes Jacobdøtter Hem from the lille Hem farm. Alas, as I read further found it wasn't my relative. I would love to see if we could look into my Anne from Søndre Hem!
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Gunhild Bjornsdotter born 6/30/1782?
