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heidithoe
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 Posted - 16/03/2010 : 01:19:30
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Sorry Hopkins, I did misread your post.
And it would seem, I was wrong about migrating too, it was more like "taming" of the Tinn, (i.e.modernization):
http://www.telelaget.com/telemark/notodden.htm
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/03/2010 : 21:59:26
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Hi,
it took me some time to confirm the information I got from my late Grandma;
two names, a strange last name, two miltary brothers.
I was not out until the records were online I managed to find out which Anne Jacobsdatter Hem that was my Anne.
I have some information for you I found in my papers.
To understand Norwegian naming practise which ended about 1900 it goes like this.
Hans son was Hansen and his daughter Hansdatter.
Ole´s son was Olsen and his daughter Olsdatter.
Jacob´s son was Jacobsen and his daughter Jacobsdatter-dotter.
Hans Hansen Hem (Sud Hem) who died young in 1743 was born to;
Hans Olsen Hem d. 1716 and Liv Anundsdotter 1670-1744 from farm Hougsrud (Høgsrud) in Sauherad, 9 children, 5 grew up.
They engaged June 1. and married July 8. 1696, see 5 column 2. section from the top;
Onsdag 8 july copu...i Saude kirke Hans Olsen Hem og Liv Anundsdatter
Wedensday July 8. married in Sauherad church Hans Olsen Hem and Liv Anundsdatter.
- Hans Olsen Hem was born to;
Ole Høljesen ab 1630-78 from Helleberg in Gransherad and Aaste Olsdatter Hem 1636-1732
- Aaste Olsdatter Hem was born to;
Ole Taraldsen Hem ab 1610-80 and Aslaug Bjørnsdatter.
Ole Taraldsen settled down on farm Bøen in Gransherad when his daughter Aaste Olsdtr. and Ole Høljesen takes over Hem, Ole Taraldsen died on Bøen, his probate register (not online ) is dated July 18. 1680.
Here are the priests in Sauherad back to 1366.
More information will come later.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 17/03/2010 00:09:24 |
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heidithoe
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Posted - 16/03/2010 : 23:23:56
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This is great!!!
I will put this in my geneology program on my computer tonight.
I love this stuff. Thanks a million Kåre!!
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heidithoe
Medium member
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Posted - 17/03/2010 : 01:20:23
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So if I'm following correctly ...
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Hans Hansen Hem (Sud Hem) who died young in 1743 was born to;
Hans Olsen Hem d. 1716 and Liv Anundsdotter 1670-1744 from farm Hougsrud (Høgsrud) in Sauherad, 9 children, 5 grew up.
Is this the father of Hans Hansøn Hem 1713-1749? married to Margit Bjørnsdatter.
I have read some where, that when naming their children, the first born takes the name of the grandfather (or gmother if a girl) of the Mother side. Second takes the name of the grandparent name for the fathers side. Is this true?
I'm noticing this is a pattern with my line. |
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heidithoe
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Posted - 17/03/2010 : 01:56:02
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Hopkins - So do you happen to know who Aaste's other siblings are?
I will put Guri down in my records as a sibling, do you have her birth and death dates. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/03/2010 : 14:14:37
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Hi.
You are right, Hans Olsen Hem D. 1716 married to Liv Anundsdatter is the father to Hans Hansen Hem.
First born son was named after his fathers father, first born daughter after her fathers mother, 2. son after his mothers fathers, 2. daughter after her mothers mother, there were rules for 3. 4. 5. born child too, but I do not remember that.
Traditional naming practice and rules where not always followed.
If a widow married often her first born son was named after her deceased husband to honor him, I think to remember because of that it were four Hans Hansen living on Hem in 1800.
I have the names of Aastes 5 siblings and where they settled down, guess Hopkins also know.
Three sisters inherit parts in Hem, but it was Aaste who settled down there.
Hem is a very exiting family Hopkins and Heidi.
Kåre
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/03/2010 : 15:00:27
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Hi.
Continue with Ole Taraldsen Hem´s parents.
He was born to Tarald Olsen 1575-1671, he married as a widower 1655 to Gunild Olsdatter (from Tinn?), she lived 1680.
The sheriff wrote Tarald was 107 years when he died, the priest wrote 97 years (not found his death record)
Tarald had 5 children with his first wife (unknown name), only mentioned as Tarald´s "Quinde" wife.
Children;
- Torgeir d before 1672
- Ole (your Ole) 1610-80 mentied earlier
- Aslaug, lived 1686 married Kittil Amundsen Øvre (Upper) Holtan
- Ingeborg d 1659, inherit half of farm Gjestrud in Heddal parish, married to Sigurd Tollefsen Nordre (Northern) Hem
- Ragnild d before 1672, inherit the other pert in Gjestrud, married to Vetle Vegheim.
Tarald Olsen Hem is mentioned 1602 and was owner of Sud (Søndre) Hem 1610 and owned a part in farm Busnes in Gransherad.
Tarald must have been a rich man, he loaned money to others and had secured mortage on 9 farms in Telemark.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 17/03/2010 15:04:48 |
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heidithoe
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Posted - 17/03/2010 : 23:13:41
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quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto
I have the names of Aastes 5 siblings and where they settled down, guess Hopkins also know.
Three sisters inherit parts in Hem, but it was Aaste who settled down there.
Sure, Kåre, I would like those names. |
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heidithoe
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Posted - 17/03/2010 : 23:26:28
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Kåre you mentioned something that caught my eye earlier ...
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Ole Taraldsen settled down on farm Bøen in Gransherad when his daughter Aaste Olsdtr. and Ole Høljesen takes over Hem...
So you saying women can inherit the land?
If that is true then my gggggrandfather Jacob Havlorsen Bredsvoll Hem (who married Gunnild in mentioned in my original post) could have lived on the Hem farm with Gunnild?
He is listed as both Bredsvoll and Hem in my records even though his family came for Bredsvoll.
Curious. |
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heidithoe
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Posted - 17/03/2010 : 23:51:54
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I answered my own question ...
If Anne Jacobsdtr Hem was born there, clearly her father must have moved to the farm.
But how does that work? The family with the biggest farm gets the new family member? |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/03/2010 : 00:19:11
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Hi,
yes, a woman could inherit land after her parents, but when she married it became her husbands property.
If she became a widow she was only owner (Tax payer) until she married again or a child takes over the farm.
If she married again her children from the 1 marriage were heirs to the farm.
Only the names of the tax payers was in the interest of the outhority (the king).
Abut the Bredevold information I have not read the Gransherad book, your information can be confirmed there
Aastes siblings:
- Bjørn 1647-99 married Aslaug Torgrimsdtr from Nisi in Gransherad
- Torbjørn married Margit Torgrimsdtr Nisi
- Tårån married Kittil Høljesen from Helleberg, Gransherad
- Guri 1651-1735 married 1676 to Gunleik Høljesen from Helleberg.
- Gunne married Torkel Høljesen Helleberg, moved to Hem and later settled down on Dale in Sauherad
Aaste, Gunne and Guri inherit Hem, Tårån inherit a part in farm Bøen.
Kåre
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Kåarto
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Posted - 18/03/2010 : 00:25:07
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Tarald Olsen Hem 1575-1671, his parents;
Olav/Ole Olsen 1542-93 from Skjerven in Lardal and NN (unknown 1. name) Nerisdatter, daughter of Neri from Nordre (Northern) Hem, three children;
- Tarald 1575-1671
- Hælgje d 1686 married Halvor Torgrimson from Nisi in Gransherad
- Olav settled down on Tveiten in Heddal which was his inherit after his grandmother Aslaug Ormsdatter Hem from the old Borgar family on Nordre (Northern) Hem.
Amazing, your ancestors came from both Nordre and Søndre Hem.
Nordre Hem goes fare back, Borgar Hem is mentioned in a document (online) from 1337, I tell you about Borgar and his people after I have finished Søndre Hem.
Ole/Olav Olsen from Skjerven in Lardal was born to;
Olav Olsen Skjerven (Olav Winter) d after 1555, local judge in Lardal mentioned in several documents and Helga Mattiasdatter from Tufte at Skien in Telemark.
Helga was born to Mattias Mattiiasen Nielsson mentioned in documents from 1481, d before 1530 and Karin Anundsdatter, he owned farms in Vestfold, Buskerud and Telemark Counties.
Matias Mattiassen Nielsson´s grandfather Mattias Torgeirsson was king Magnus V "Fehirde" in Tønsberg from 1343-47.
"Fehirde" was member of the kings Guard and resposible for his cattle, property, money and the kings account.
In this document written on parchment from 1347 kept in the Norwegian archives king Magnus gives his "Fehirde" Mattias Torgeirsson authority regarding exchange of land with Gunnvald on Kaaretveit (Kårtved in Fiskum parish, Buskerud County)
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Edited by - Kåarto on 19/03/2010 00:46:56 |
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heidithoe
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Posted - 18/03/2010 : 04:16:32
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No worries Hopkins, we completely understand!
Kåre was able to help me. He has been so generous to share his research on the Hem farms.
I'm very interested in the names of immediate family members––not so much the cousins. I love the dates, and locations of farms too! My goal is to make a visit next summer with my husband and siblings to see the churches and countryside of Telemark! Can't wait!!!
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Kåarto
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Posted - 18/03/2010 : 14:26:20
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Hi Hopkins, my information was also coming from p 626, could be the dates has been updatet in a new version of Sauherad Bygdebok since you have more dates than I.
Your dates seems correct to me.
Olav Olsen Skjerven´s daughter Karen Olsdatter 1511-90 married my forefather Rolf Torsteinsen 1495-1970 from Hvam and Søum in Sandsvær parish in Buskerud, his father Torstein Rolfsen settled down on Lindeheim in Sauherad, he married Torny (Tonne) Torbjørnsdatter Lindheim.
Your Aaste Olsdatter 1636-1732 married 2. time to descendant to Torstein and Torny, Nils Torsteinsen Lindheim.
The families on Hem and Lindheim were good friends and were involved in the hard struggles with loss of human life to people from Haukvik in Sauherad in the 1300´s.
I have worked with these families earlier here in this forum, but since new farms and families are mentioned it may seem confusing to mix these two topics.
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heidithoe
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Posted - 18/03/2010 : 19:46:26
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Hello,
How can I get my hands on a Bygbok?
I know I could go to my library and have one order check out. Is it even possible to get my hands on a copy permanently? |
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Gunhild Bjornsdotter born 6/30/1782?
