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heidithoe
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 Posted - 18/03/2010 : 23:10:36
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Kåre~
I'm having troubles with the dates. On your first post you mentioned that Mattias Toreirsson dead during the black plague (1349-50).
When reading the following lines ...
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Originally posted by Kåarto
... Mattias Mattiiasen mentioned in documents from 1481, d before 1530 and Karin Anundsdatter, he owned farms in Vestfold, Buskerud and Telemark Counties.
Matias Mattiasen´s father Mattias Torgeirsson was king Magnus V "Fehirde" in Tønsberg from 1343-47.
"Fehirde" was member of the kings Guard and resposible for his cattle, property, money and the kings account.
Kåre
I ran into some questions.
If his son (Matias Mattiasen) died before 1530 and was mentioned in 1481, this would make him over 100 years old. That is, if his dad died 1350, right? I'm I missing a generation? |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 19/03/2010 : 00:35:09
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Hi.
Sorry, I missed one generation, many names and dates, easy to get lost.
Fehirde Mattias Torgeirsson´s son was
- Niels Mattiasen mentioned 1446-81, "Lagrettemann" Local judge, owned Søndre Vegheim. His son was;
- Mattias Nielsson (not Mattias Mattiassen) mentioned from 1481, Local judge, d 1530 married to Karin Anundsdatter.
Even the Fehirde was a member of the royal guard he was not trained as a soldier in using weapons as the kings bodyguards. When he traveled around he had guards who traveled with him.
He was an educated man.
Guess you want the link to Borgar Hem, a very exiting family.
It has to wait until tomorrow.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 19/03/2010 : 12:30:47
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Hi,
some add, info.
This document (owned by priest S. O. Wolff) from Sept 22. 1481, all six seals are gone, shows both Niels Mattiasson and his son Mattias Nielsson as "Lagrettemenn" local judges in a case concerning inheritance of the widow Ragnhild and a relative to her deceased husband, see here
Down page heading "Brevtekst" (fra den trykte utgaven): 3 line .....Nielss Mattissson Mattis Nielsson........loghrættis men (lagrettemenn)
Tønsberg June 28. 1533, here.
Jugde in Court of appeal Jon Jonsen Pakke and Olav Olavsson (Olaf Olaffson) Skjerven at the request of their "Vermoder" Mother in law, wife Karen, widow of Matthis Nilsson, who change land with Rolf Torstensen (Olav Olavsson Skjerven´s son in law) in farm Søndre Lindheim in Nes parish (Sauherad) in Telemark which retained half of Southern Lindheim in exchange for land in farms Kaupmansnes, Hvam and Reine in Sandsvær municipality (Buskerud County)
March18. 1542.
Ola Olavsson Skjerven change land in farm Brenne in Telemark with Hedde Hedssøn and recieve right to Salomon fisheries in Kjærra watefall in Styrvold in Lardal (more information in the left margin)
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Edited by - Kåarto on 19/03/2010 16:52:41 |
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heidithoe
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Posted - 20/03/2010 : 18:28:35
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Thank you, thank you, thank you.
So how did the Hem farm get it's name? I see it spelled ... "Søndre Vegheim" and "Søndre Lindheim in Nes parish". Any neat story about all that? What was the practice of naming land way back then?
Also if you would like I would be interested in the Nordre Hem history too. ...But only if your not to tired of digging in the book. I'm always up for a history lesson, family related or not. :)
Now I'm off to start my spring planting...finally 70#730; in New England! |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 20/03/2010 : 21:33:04
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Hi Heidi.
Vegheim and Lindheim is two other farms in Sauherad.
The name Hem/Hæm/Hæme goes back to at least 1300s, the farmland was probably cleared about 2000 years ago.
Hem could have meant just Home if the name was of recent date, but the origin is much older, coming from the old norse Haheimr, a mixture of the two words Heimr and Har/Hor;
Heimr means Home and Har/Hor means Height.
Fits well sine the farm is 104 meters higher with sloping terrain down towards lake Heddalsvannet
Fehirde Mattias Torgeirsson, Olav Olsen Skjerven, Helga Mattisdtr, Rolf Torsteinsen Hvam and Torny Torbjørnsdatter Lindheim are my ancestors.
Lindheim and Nordre Hem were close allies (some married) in the struggle with the Haukvik people in the 1300s
I would like to bring you the information about the people from Nordre Hem, this weekend I am looking after my two granddaughters, age 6 and 3, 5.
To early to start spring planting where I live, still about 1/2 to 3/4 of a yard with snow on the ground.
Spring is almost my favourite time of year.
- Skjerven means rocky ground (Bedrock)
- Lindheim, Heim means home and Lind is this tree
- Thoe 1665,To, Tho 1585,Touff 1593, Thw, Thouff, Toe 1723(various spellings throughout the centuries) pronunced To (Thoe) in Norway means acc prof. Rygh a small piece of land, grassy plain between rocks.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/03/2010 : 14:12:15
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From page 2, Ole Olsen Skjerven 1542- 93 married NN. Nerisdatter, she was born to Neri Hem (from Nordre Hem) and Aslaug Ormarsdatter, widow for many years, mentioned 1548, she liklely died before that.
She grev up on Grivi in Bø parish, Telemark. Neris father was most likley sheriff Tarald Toresson from Busnes in Gransherad, two sons Carl and Sigurd and two daughters with unknown 1. name, one married Halkjell Ingulvsson Hem and the 2. daughter married Olav Olsen Skjerven.
Aslaug Ormarsdatter was born to;
Ormar Amundsen from Grivi and Hem mentioned Oct. 12. 1410 and unknown mother.
Ormars father Anund (Agmund) Salveson is mentioned in this document from Sept. 1399 together with his parents Salve Ormsson and Maritte Bjørnsdatter Lindheim exchanging land with Torgeir Lidvordsson, .
Maritte was daughter to Bjørn Torleivsson Lindheim (Bjørn´s brother Ogmund was my Torgny Torbjørnsdatter Lindheim´s ancestor
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Kåarto
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Posted - 22/03/2010 : 00:26:12
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Bjørn Torleivsson mentioned first time 1337 and last time 1397 grew up on Lindheim and settled down on Bjørntveit in Solum at Skien town, his brother Ogmund settled down on farm Hybbelstad in Tjølling, Vestfold county in 1370.
Bjørn was the kings "Sysselmann" Guvernor in "Skienssyssel", Telemark County and parts of Numedal, Buskerud County from about 1370-85. Bjørn´s wife was Elin Torsteinsdatter Dylla from Rakkestad, Østfold County.
In this document (a gift letter) Bjørn Torleivsson´s last will, he give as a gift to Sauherad church parts in farm Sauer against "årtidhold" which could mean that one year after his died a mass should be held for his soul in the church and where and his name should be mentioned.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 22/03/2010 00:52:18 |
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heidithoe
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Posted - 23/03/2010 : 15:13:09
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Hello Kåre,
Thanks for everything, I just put in the last of the information last night.
You have been so helpful. It would have taken me years to make all these connections, sitting hear with my Norwegian dictionary.
See you in another post!!!!
Best!
Heidi |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/03/2010 : 23:12:39
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Hello Heidi, you are welcome.
Its been a while since I worked with the Lindheim family, interesting to reiiterate that family with new information.
Bjørn and Ogmund Torleivsson had 3 siblings, the parents were;
Torleiv Sakabjørnsen, he is mentioned as "Hirdmanm", it means he served in the kings guard, likleky in Haakon V Magusson´s guard and married Cecilia Ivarsdatter Rova and Søndre Nes in Sauherad, daughter to County governor and Dottesten Ivar Ogmundsson Rova from farm Hæstbø in Finnøy, knight and "Drotsete", the kings deputy, mentioned Sept. 20. 1334 i en case between Archbishop Paaal and Vigleik Aslaksen concerning priest Sigurds last will, here.
Ivar Ogmundsson is buried at the monastery in Gimsøy, Skien town, Telemark, all tracks after the monastery is gone.
"Drottsete" was elected among the leading men in the country, he was no heir to the crown.
Saksabjørn (Saxbirnar) is a very rare name, only 5 with that name are found in Norway, 3 of the are from the Lindheim family, the last Saksabjørnsson lived 1570 on farm Nes in Sauherad.
Here I do not have much input since most of my information correspond with this
When Torleiv died ab. 1340 Cecilia married Vetrlide Borgarsson from Nordre Hem, they settled down on Søndre Nes (neighbor farm to Lindheim), no children mentioned.
Aslaug, Torleiv Saksabjørnsson´s daughter, married Borgar Vetrlidesson Hem.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 24/03/2010 : 22:40:32
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Hi,
here is the rest of the information I have about Lindheim.
Torleif Saksabjørnsson father was;
Saxabjørn Lindheim, the first owner of Lindheim we know the name of.
The history tells one of the kings "Lenderman" was killed on Lindheim during the civil was 1140-1240 and that the main house was burned, we do not know his name.
Excavations tells there was once a major fire on Lindheim.
The military district in this area was named "Lindheim skiprede", the farm at that time was the most important farm in this part of Telemark.
" Skiprede" (means Ship ready, totally 280 shiprede in Norway) means the district had to keep a warship with about 100 armed men with supplies for about 3 months ready in one week if a danger threatened the country orginized as Leidang.
Lindeheim and Nes are south in Sauherad not fare from Nes church from 1180.
The next information will mostly act about the old Hem.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 27/03/2010 : 00:06:57
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Hi.
Hem.
Anund (Agmund) Solvesson was born about 1387-90, he still lived June 15. 1477, became very rich and owned several farms and parts in farms in Telemark. For some time he lived on one of three farms he owned in Bø parish.
He married a daughter to Tord Linderygg and became owner Linderygg and Asdal, two large farms in Bamble parish.
Anunds parents was Solve Ormarsson Hem and Maritte Bjørnsdatter Lindheim mentioned in Bishop Eustein´s "Rødebok" Farm register from 1398.
Maritte Bjørnsdatter was titled "Hustru", it means Solve was "kongens håndgagne mann" the kings man, but not a knight
Solve Ormarsson was born during the Black Death 1349-50 where half of the population in Norway died.
Solve´s father was Ormar Borgarsson.
Solve should have been bap. Borgar after his fathers father Borgar Vetrlidesson Hem.
Borgar Vetrlidesson was killed on farm Lund in Sandsvær Feb. 4.1336 when he met in an inheritance issue for his son or father Vetrlide Borgarsson (both had the same name), where disagreements and strife ended in that Jon Sigurdsson killed Borgar with an axe, see this document (origin kept in Deichmannske Library, Oslo).
King Magnus Ombudsman Sigurd Erlingsson and Hr. (Mr) Ivar´s (Ogmundsson) Ombudsman Torbjørn Sveinsson announced the murder on Aaker in Sansvær June 27. 1336.
The sentence of cort was that Jon was judged to pay a sum 3 mark for "Landsvist", the kongs grace, 3 mark for "tegn" and 2 mark for "fred" and compensation to Borgars heirs within a certain date.
There lived many persons with the name Borgar and Vetrlide on Hem, it seems like Borgar Vetrlidesson had a namesake on Hem, to me it looks like that Borgar Vetrlidesson that was killed in Sandsvær 1336 was another Borgar, bacause;
In 1337 Borgar and his wife Aslaug were involved in a struggle on Hem with persons from Haukvik where Hallvard Erlingsson Haukvik was killed by Borgar Hem.
Both Solve´s father Ormar, his fathers sister in law Ingeborg (married to Ormars brother Alvir) and Ormars mother Aslaug Saksabjørnsdatter Lindheim died in the Black Death, Svartadauen.
Ormars young widow bap. the young boy Solve (Saved) since he survived the plague.
Alvir was on a visit to Troserud in Heddal when the plague reached Hem so he survived.
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heidithoe
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Posted - 28/03/2010 : 00:01:46
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Hi Kåre.
Couple of questions.
This is jumping back a bit, so forgive me.
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Your Aaste Olsdatter 1636-1732 married 2. time to descendant to Torstein and Torny, Nils Torsteinsen Lindheim.
Kåre
Do you have any info as when they were married? I currenlty have Aaste Olsdatter Hem married Ole Hølijesen. He only lived to 48 (1678) So maybe Aaste remarried?
Second Question...
In your most recent post (full of exciting stuff by the way) you mention Omar's mother name as Aslaug Sakabjørndatter Hem. I have her recorded as the daughter of Torleiv Sakabjørnsen, so she should be Aslaug Torleivsdatter Hem right?
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Kåarto
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Posted - 28/03/2010 : 11:44:50
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Hi Turid,
challenging to follow all the names on Hem and Lindheim, some are only mentioned with Hem and Lindheim as lastname or just the given name.
In those days, the families on Lindheim and Hem were considered as one family.
Orma´r (Borgarsson) mother who died in the Black Death 1349-50 was Aslaug Saksabjørnsdatter Lindheim (Torleivs sister), she married Borgar Vetrlidesson Hem.
Aslaug and Borgar got 3 daughters and 3 sons, on the names of the sons are known;
Vetrlide, Aulvir /Alvir and Ormar.
Saksabjørn Lindheim and unknown wife had following 5 children we know the names on;
Torleiv, Bjørn, Sveinke, Ingrid and Aslaug (Ormars mother)
Torleiv Saksabjørnsen Lindem and Cecilia Ivarsdatter Nes had three sons we know the names of;
Bjørn and Ogmund mentiioned earlier and Rolleiv, he married Alvirs daughter Gunnild.
Rolleiv moved out of Sauherad to Eiker parish in Buskerud.
His son Guttorm Rolleivsson (Rolfsen)married widow Asgerd Aslaksdatter on farm Berg, sister to Bishop Eysten Aslaksen, the person with the "Rødebok" from 1398-1400.
For those interested, a copy of "Rødebok" published by H. J. Huidfeldt 1879, can be read here
Guttorm Rolfsen d. ab. 1415 and Asgerd Aslaksdatter about 1440, they owned many farm in Buskerud and Vestfold Counties, also in Bohuslen in Sweden.
Your Aaste Olsdatter married 2. time in Nov. Friday 12.1680 to Peder Tortsteinsen from N. Lindem, see top left side here, they lived on farm Gvannes in Sauherad.
Probate register on Gvammen dated 1733.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 28/03/2010 : 15:25:22
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1337.
The struggle between the people from Lindheim and Hem on one hand and the people from Haukvik and Låvell on the other hand ended in a large trial Dec. 13. 1337 in Skien town.
As "Kongens håndgagne men" the kings men from the less nobility, the law demanded they should first reach agreement among themselves, if that failed, the county governor or his men would judge and determine the fines.
The attempt was unsuccessful.
Countuy governor Ivar Ogmundsson had to bring in help from his brother, Counsil of Realm Finn Ogmundsson, the reason for that could be he was related to the Lindheim´s, despite that he had to judge just by the law.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 29/03/2010 : 00:16:41
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Firts a brief summary of the events.
The involved had been in conflict for a long time.
Erling Haukvik with some friends and relatives came at an unexpected visit to Hem.
There Erling accused Borgar and his son Alvir for killing his son Halvard Erlingsson.
It ended in dispute, and Erling hit Borgar with his spear in the arm.
Then Erling pushed Borgars wife Aslaug (Saksbjørnsdatter) to the ground, stepped on her and called her the worst woman that ever had walked on this grass.
Later, Halvard Tolfsson, his brother Livard and some men Borgar did not remember the name on attaced him and beat him in the head, Geirmund Erlingsson hit Borgar hard in the butt.
Vetrlide who was with his father stuck Halvard Tolfsson with the spear.
Then the authorities seized in.
A content of the trial will come later.
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Gunhild Bjornsdotter born 6/30/1782?
