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davidlasch
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 Posted - 17/03/2010 : 18:06:44
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| How should I go about trying to verify that Christen Arnesen and Ane Maria Jonasdatter are the parents of my Johannes Arnesen? I do not see a marriage recored for them or a birth record for Johannes. Thrilled to find out this info just don't want to dig in the wrong places of course. And the script is getting harder to read the older it gets :) not that i can really read it just pick out name (if I am lucky!) |
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jwiborg
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davidlasch
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Posted - 17/03/2010 : 19:05:47
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| OK now I feel dumb! so much information in here. I had not tried this. thanks I will use this now too! |
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eibache
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Posted - 17/03/2010 : 20:07:08
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Not sure about Aug.
- he was born the 5th of same month as the baptism, i.e. April.
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davidlasch
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Posted - 17/03/2010 : 20:11:30
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thanks - good to "see" you and have your eyes on it too :)
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davidlasch
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Posted - 17/03/2010 : 21:07:53
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| OK thought my eyes would be good enough to spot a marriage record for Christen Arnesen and Ane Maria Jonasdatter but not luck. Working from their childrens birth records on family search I am thinking they should have been married prior to 1796 in Olso? Any ideas? |
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vivi
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Posted - 18/03/2010 : 11:04:57
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Originally posted by davidlasch
How should I go about trying to verify that Christen Arnesen and Ane Maria Jonasdatter are the parents of my Johannes Arnesen? I do not see a marriage recored for them or a birth record for Johannes. Thrilled to find out this info just don't want to dig in the wrong places of course. And the script is getting harder to read the older it gets :) not that i can really read it just pick out name (if I am lucky!)
Hi
The godparents of children is often a great source to find relatives.
When Carl Ludvig is baptized April 5, 1836 you find Frederik Arnesen - hjulmager (wheelwright) as a godparent. He is also godparent when Johan Fredrik is baptized Des 26, 1839 and when Cecilie Marie is baptized May 27, 1844. The Johannes I found in Christiania had a brother Frederik (and a Carl Frederik). And their father was a wheelwright.
Among Cecilie Marie's godparents you also find: Pige (unmarried girl) Karen Arnesen. The Johannes I found also had a sister Karen.
Did Johannes and Kari have other children?
Carl Frederik Arnesen also lived in Fredrikstad in the 1865 census:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=9&filnamn=f60103&gardpostnr=22&personpostnr=448&merk=448#ovre
I feel sure we found the family of "your" Johannes, but it is still just a theory!
Do you know when and /or where Johannes and Kari died? There might be usefull information in the church-book when the are burried. |
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davidlasch
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Posted - 18/03/2010 : 12:56:59
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Hi - thank you for explanation. I appreciate the time you spent to explain it and will hopefully put those tips to good use as I continue this process. Please know that I was not doubting the information you found for me but looking for a way to prove the theory and learn in the process- which you gave me very nicely!
I have not found other children for Johannes and Kari - if they had any others I do not believe they survived.
I have not found any records for Joannes and Kari's deaths. They were still living in Fredrikdstad in 1875 but so far I have not been able to find their death records. I will try to look again and see if I can find them. Is there a clue in the census as to which part of Fredrikstad to look for their parish?
Census year: 1875
Municipality: Fredrikstad
Municipality number: 0103
Street name: Nedre Torvstræde 93
Street number:
City district:
House owner: Henrik Dybedahl
Number of flats: 3
Number of persons in this domicile: 5
Name Family status Marital status Occupation Birth year Place of birth Ethnicity
Elen Jesine Olsen hm e Vaskning og Strygning 1824 Christiansand
Gustav Augundsen Fostersøn Forsørges af E. J. Olsen 1866 Tune Pr,
Jakob Torval Hendriksen Leiebeboer ug Daglønner 1829 Fr.stad
Johannes Arnesen hf g Snedker eget Værksted 1809 Christiania
Charn Syversdatter Kone g 1808 Vangs Pr.
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davidlasch
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Posted - 18/03/2010 : 13:32:41
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| I believe that Johan Fredrik Arnesen b. 1839 moved to the USA. I have a note on an old family chart that indicates USA for him. He seems to be in Drammen in 1875 but gone by 1900. |
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davidlasch
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Posted - 18/03/2010 : 14:56:15
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| I can not seem to find Drammen to search for Johan before they moved? I thought it is in Buskerud but it does not show up? I found a John and Emily Arneson in the 1900 USA census with a daughter Alma born in 1876 in Norway so I thought I could find her birth record in Drammen and prove if they were indeed the same family. |
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davidlasch
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Posted - 18/03/2010 : 15:13:19
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Source information: Østfold county, Fredrikstad, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1824-1879), Marriage records 1864-1866, page 532-533.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7450&idx_id=7450&uid=ny&idx_side=-264
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061016030479.jpg
#5 second column
I was looking for Johan Fredrik Arnesen and Emilie Fossum marriage record and found what I think is his sister Marie Cecile and Thorvald Kjolseth?
Oh as I look further #17 is Johan and Emilie.
ormation: Østfold county, Fredrikstad, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1857-1878), Marriage records 1865, page 268.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6216&idx_id=6216&uid=ny&idx_side=-204
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060927070053.jpg
#5 is Cecilie Marie's record
Source information: Østfold county, Fredrikstad, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1857-1878), Marriage records 1866, page 269.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6216&idx_id=6216&uid=ny&idx_side=-205
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060927070054.jpg
#16 is Johan's record
I can barely make out any of this between it being faded and the script is so hard to read and make out any of the names.
Anyone who can help decipher these - I would greatly appreciate. |
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davidlasch
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davidlasch
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Posted - 18/03/2010 : 15:34:31
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| Thought I might be able to find the birth record for child of Johan and Emilie in Fredrikstad but I do not see one. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/03/2010 : 15:35:39
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Hi,
Earlier you asked about Drammen. Buskerud it is. I think there are two parishes there: Bragernes and Assiden. But perhaps one of the Norwegian forumites knows more about the Drammen parishes and could help you better.
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davidlasch
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