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vivi
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 Posted - 25/03/2010 : 16:46:15
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Hi
I think I have found the birth of Johannes with father Christen Arnesen.
He is on the right page fourth from top with date of baptizm April 9, 1809:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7687&idx_id=7687&uid=ny&idx_side=-64
His mother's name is Anne Marie Olsd.
The parish is Akershus slottsmenighet i Garnisonsmenigheten (Christiania).
Not sure if this mean we had wrong family earlier or if there have been made a mistake here with mother's surname or father has remarried.
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vivi
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Posted - 25/03/2010 : 16:58:40
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Hi
I might have been a bit hasty with the birth of Johannes.
When I read his baptizm in the Ministerial book I see his father's name is spelled Christen Andersen (not Arnesen). But which one is correct? Here his mother's surname also is Olsdatter.
Date of baptizm is however April 7 and not 9 as I wrote. Sorry.
He was born Mar 19, 1809.
Right page third from bottom:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7687&idx_id=7687&uid=ny&idx_side=-163
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davidlasch
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Posted - 25/03/2010 : 17:10:14
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Thank you. They don't make it easy do they!
I will try to keep finding his death record - maybe that will give us the proof one way or the other.
Thanks for the parish info too - I will check there to see if he is listed in Kristiana deaths. |
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davidlasch
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Posted - 25/03/2010 : 18:56:50
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davidlasch
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Posted - 25/03/2010 : 22:22:45
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Source information: Hedmark county, Ringsaker, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1799-1814), Birth and baptism records 1807, page 70.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=364&idx_id=364&uid=ny&idx_side=-72
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070512960027.jpg
3rd boy down on left is a child of Syver Olsen. I know this is a long shot but I was looking again for Kari Syversdatter's bapt record and came across this one. There is a word - it looks like Weldre? before No 53. I think this is probably an address? but on Kari's marriage record there was a word I think is Valdres? close maybe this is a clue - of course that is assuming that this boy could be related to Kari? probably just a wrong direction but trying to find her!
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eibache
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Posted - 26/03/2010 : 07:01:22
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Your link was to Fredrikstad, I assume you mean this page
Weldre here is a sub-parish. Earlier both Valders and Vang have been mentioned. Wang in Hedmark is close to Weldre/Ringsaker.
Maybe you are getting close? |
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vivi
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Posted - 26/03/2010 : 13:43:39
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Originally posted by davidlasch
3rd boy down on left is a child of Syver Olsen. I know this is a long shot but I was looking again for Kari Syversdatter's bapt record and came across this one. There is a word - it looks like Weldre? before No 53. I think this is probably an address? but on Kari's marriage record there was a word I think is Valdres?
Hi David
Kari left from Ringsaker in Hedmark and there is a subparish there by the name Veldre (Weldre).
Valdres however is in the southwestern parts of Oppland county: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdres
Close to Valdres (but not a part of it, I think - not sure) is Øyer. Kari left Ringsaker oct 1932 and Febr 12, 1833 a girl by the name Anbjør Syversdatter left Ringsaker and went to Øyer where she was born Feb 1, 1804 and baptized Feb 12, 1804. About middle of left page, name spelled Ømbjør:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9272&idx_id=9272&uid=ny&idx_side=-119
Her parents were Siver (spellingvariation of Syver) and Anne from the farm Kielgaarde (probably eje at the end).
Here are Siver and Anne in the 1801 census:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f18010521&gardpostnr=27&personpostnr=714&merk=714#ovre
They already had a daughter by the name Ombiør and they also have a daughter by the name Kari born ab 1800.
They might have reused the name Kari around 1809/1810; but unfortunately I'm not able to find it.
Siver and Anne have a son born 1807 and he names a daughter Kari in 1841.
Ambjør was married to Hans Poulsen Apr 13, 1830 in Øyer. Notice that only their fathers given name are written - just like Kari's father when she was married in Fredrikstad.
No 156: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9274&idx_id=9274&uid=ny&idx_side=-198
I thought this family was so interesting that I wanted to tell you about them even though I have not found a Kari born 1809/1810 for them.
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davidlasch
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Posted - 27/03/2010 : 14:16:49
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Wow you found out quite alot about these people. Thankyou. maybe one day we will be able to connect them to "my" Kari :)
Finding all this out is certainly addicting and keeps me looking more and more.
When I was a teenager I visited Fredrikstad - I walked around the old streets but had not idea what I was looking at or for! I know so much now because of everyones help. I hope one day to return and see some of these places I am reading about. |
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Trine Lise Hovland
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eibache
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Posted - 17/04/2010 : 22:14:53
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They where engaged at 14.of Mars 1795, and married at 5.May 1795
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March 13 Bachelor Christen Aronsen Hjulmakersvend and maiden Anne Maria Joensdatter, married May 9. See 6th couple on left page.
The family in 1801.
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davidlasch
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Posted - 17/04/2010 : 22:42:58
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Thank you for finding this! If I saw it I probably went right past it not recognizing the names spelled the way they were. Too bad there is not more information about them. No matter how much we find we always want more!
Thanks again.
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davidlasch
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Posted - 17/04/2010 : 23:28:53
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I can't find a translation for "Hjulmakersvend"
Looking now to see if I can figure out where they were baptised or confirmed. Hoping maybe at least one was from the area. |
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Hopkins
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eibache
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Posted - 18/04/2010 : 07:05:52
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Hjulmakersvend = wheelwright apprentice.
In 1801 he is Juulmager mæster = wheelwright master.
Also note that his mother Bendithe Arnesdatter, widow after 2nd marriage, is living with him. |
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Edited by - eibache on 18/04/2010 07:37:27 |
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davidlasch
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Posted - 18/04/2010 : 14:41:30
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Thanks for the translation and thanks for the translation site.
I bookmarked the site along with the online translator so hopefully I will be more self sufficient - on some things at least!
Thanks again |
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