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SheriSchienbein
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Canada
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 Posted - 06/04/2010 : 23:06:39
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Emigrated from Norway to South Dakota, USA then emigrated to Alberta, Canada in 1910
Stanlor Barvais Engels B. 1897 Norway
married Fena Marqueite Olsen B. Aug 6, 1906
Possible Brother for Stanlor are: Baylor, Sanborn, Roudolf, Ole, Harry.
Trying to find out where in Norway they emigrated from? Correct last name? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/04/2010 : 23:28:44
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Hi,
Strange happenings here. This, if it comes through okay is the website search for soldiers in WWI from Canada. There are at least three of the brothers you mentioned in your query--one gives the birthplace as Sanburn South Dakota and all three have their father's name as Dennis Engles (with some variation of spelling) You might want to collect the information there for these men.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-110.01-e.php?PHPSESSID=5f42h98dvfd0l8co7huo4nlvu6&q1=engel&q2=&q3=&interval=20
Dennis would be an unusual name for a Norwegian, but nothing seems impossible these days....
There are several online databases of South Dakota information. But it appears the whole family moved to Legoff Alberta at least by the time of the World War, so not certain what there might be of value stateside for you. I should say that the 1900 and probably the 1910 US Federal Census schedules would provide some good information for you.
Here is the only Engels birth record in the online website database from Sanborn County, South Dakota:
Birth Information for MABEL ENGELS
(State File Number: 592546)
File Date: 04/13/1942
Sex: Female
Birth Date: 06/07/1885
City/County: SANBORN
Mother's Name: JULIA HARRIS
Father's Name: DENNIS ENGELS
Hilsen,
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2010 : 00:11:55
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Following up on the post by Jackie, here is the 1900 US Census on Dennis and family with some of the same names and some different. From Ancestry.com.
Name: Dennis Engels
Home in 1900: Floyd, Sanborn, South Dakota
Age: 46
Birth Date: Jul 1853
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1871
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Spouse's name: Julia A
Marriage Year: 1877
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 23
Residence : Afton, Floyd & Oneida Townships, Sanborn, South Dakota
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Dennis Engels 46
Julia A Engels 41
Mable Engels 14
Suella Engels 13
Dennis Engels 12
Alvin Engels 9
Rudolph Engels 7
Ole Engels 4
Albert Engels 2
George Engels 8/12
Looking at the orginal census data, wife was born in Illinois and all of the children were born in South Dakota. If this is the correct family the only one to have come from Norway is Dennis the father. In this family the one born in 1897 is named Albert and was born in South Dakota. Is this really the right family.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2010 : 01:25:49
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At least part of this family is still is South Dakota for the 1910 US Census. Note the immigration date differ quite substatially from the earlier Census data.
Name: Dennes Engels
Age in 1910: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Spouse's name: Julia H
Home in 1910: Ontario, Hand, South Dakota
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1862
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Dennes Engels 56
Julia H Engels 51
Luella Engels 22
Alvin Engels 18
Rudolph Engels 16
Ole Engels 15
Arthur A Engels 13
George Engels 10
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 01:29:54
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Here is the earliest US record I could find on this family. Then in Kansas. Note the name here and above is Dennes not Dennis.
Name: Dennes Engels
Home in 1880: Summit, Saline, Kansas
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Birthplace: Nor
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's name: Julie A.
Father's birthplace: Nor
Mother's birthplace: Nor
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Household Members: Name Age
Dennes Engels 26
Julie A. Engels 21
Berta Engels 3
Joseph E. Engels 1
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 01:32:03
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Here is the only record of this family in Canada that I could find. The appear to have immigrated in 1911.
Name: Dennis Engles
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 62
Est. Birth Year: 1854
Birthplace: Norway
Year of Immigration: 1911
Home in 1916: 39, Battle River, Alberta
Address: 62, 2, 4, Le Goff
racial_or_tribal_origin: Norwegian
Relation to Head of Household: Self
Household Members: Name Age
Dennis Engles 62
Julia Anna Engles 56
Ole Engles 21
George Harris Engles 17
Martin Nyhus 31
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 01:43:30
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The Dennes Engels family is documented with three Family Trees on Ancestry.com. The most complete tree gives the following.
Dennes Engels Birth July, 1853 in Skånevik, Hordaland, Norway
Father is listed as Ole Engels born abt 1833 in Stavanger, Norway,
died 7/14/1877 Chicago, Illinois.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 01:53:26
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Hi,
Good work lyndaI140!
Here may be Dennis' marriage record. It is found at the Secretary of State State of Illinois database site:
ENGELS, DENNIS HARRIS, ANN J 1876-11-01 00C/0107 MORGAN
Also would suggest a check at this website of the ship Carl Johan 1872. There is an Ole Engel Bygnaess listed age 55 --could possibly be the Ole Engel father?
This is probably the family travelling in 1872 as they appear in the 1865 census transcription:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f61147&gardpostnr=526&merk=526#ovre
Jackie M.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 02:50:29
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| Well Jackie it is only good work if the family above has some connection with the Stanlor Barvais Engles listed as the subject of this thread. I confess I found no trace of that person. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 05:50:47
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Hi Lynda,
Well, we can only go where the original data leads us. There are never guarantees. The ultimate value of the connection is only determined by the original querist. It might be that Stanlor is one of the boys in the family who's name may have been altered or that the querist wanted to eliminate some names from the mix of possibly related names, to narrow down which way to go next. Either situation, the work is still good.
Hilsen,
Jackie M. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/04/2010 : 07:44:52
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Dennes Engels Birth July, 1853 in Skånevik, Hordaland, Norway
Father is listed as Ole Engels born abt 1833 in Stavanger, Norway,
- No baptismal record found for Dennes 1853 Skånevik.
In 1865 there were 40 Ole Engelsen (Normal abrev. Ole Engels) recorded in Norway - none seem to be born approx 1833 in Rogaland.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 14:55:59
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Dennis Engels is most likely Stener Berdines born July 7 1852, see #137 his parents were Ole Engel Ommundsen, Bygnæs and Bertha Gudmundsdatter.
Parent and siblings in 1865.
Omund, the oldest son, is at sea.
Parents and a brother and a sister moved out of Avaldsnes 1872, see 23 - 26.
On Carl Johans passenger list is
Ole Engel (father)
Berthe (mother)
Berthe (sister)
Osmund (brother)
Gudmund (brother)
Elen (sister) and
Engel (brother).
See 19 a - g |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2010 : 15:27:12
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Thanks Einar, I think we can now see where the initial poster gets her name from. Here is the arrival of Ole into Quebec.
Name: Ole Engel Byguoss
Gender: Male
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Date of Arrival: 9 Jul 1872
Vessel: Carl Johan
Search Ship Database: View the 'Carl Johan' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure: Stavanger, Norway
He is accompanied by five children including Osmund, Gudmund and Engel plus wife. |
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SheriSchienbein
New on board
Canada
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Posted - 07/04/2010 : 17:18:36
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| Thanks so much for this information. So often, names varied from the original. Dennes Engels and Stener Berdines. I am a bit confused about the marriage link, as that name doesn't seem to match the name I was given for his wife, but I am checking out that information as well. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 18:10:30
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Hi,
Well glad to know we were on the right track.
It might help with your anxiety to read a bit about the naming customs of Norway. Stener Berdines would be his first and middle names. Then would be his patronymic name which most likely would be Olson from his father's first name of Ole. The Engel is a little harder to understand. But I have seen family members choose their patronymic from either the first or second name so for Dennis perhaps he felt Engels was more useful as a last name in America which has a different naming custom than the fashion in Norway.
From what I understand the "dines" part of the middle name would be pronounced "Deenus" so that is perhaps why he adopted the name Dennis, because it sounds most like an Anglo name?
You could order a copy of the marriage record from Morgan County, Illinois. You might get more information about the parents, witnesses and the wedding venue which could help you. In most of the census records the wife is listed as Julia A, Julia Anna, etc, so it's not impossible that Ann J was Ann Julia.
It sounds as if you might be starting with family stories or a handwritten document or something of the like. Most family stories contain at the core a kernel of truth on which you can build. Handwritten documents are subject to interpretation as you can see the indexed rendering of the farm the family was on was given as Bygouss in one index and Bygnaes in another.
Good Luck to you...
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/04/2010 : 20:19:27
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Ole Engel was born July 10 1814, see last record on left page. His parents were Omund Gundersen, Bygnæs and Oline Axelsdatter.
The parents and Oles siblings in 1801.
Omund Gundersen, Bygnæs and Oline Margrethe Axelsdatter, Efteheim were married Aug 20 1794, see next to last record on left page. |
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