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tmafarrell
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 Posted - 16/05/2010 : 18:49:22
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torkel was born about 1789 in sogn og fjordane, lived at berge in 1820.
kari was also born about 1789 in sogn og fjordane, lived at tønjum in 1820.
they were engaged on 20 nov 1819 and married 23 jan 1820 in lærdal.
the ministerialbok for marriages in 1820 is missing, so i am unable to find the record, and my searches turn up nothing.
any suggestions on where else to look for birth dates-records for the above 2?
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jwiborg
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Posted - 16/05/2010 : 19:48:28
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Their marriage is here.
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eibache
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Posted - 16/05/2010 : 20:57:49
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Kari Halvorsdatter was his 4th wife?
If so, Torkel was born approx 1772, his 3rd wife Marita Halvorsdatter died Oct 26 1818 60 years old.
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Edited by - eibache on 16/05/2010 20:58:32 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 16/05/2010 : 21:08:57
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Could be, but it doesn't fit with the birth year... He is the only Torkel Samuelsen in Lærdal, 1801 though...
Torkel Samuelsen (29) at the Hauge farm in Lærdal, census-1801.
Torchild Samuelsen
Born 09 Nov 1771, chr 12 Nov 1771, Lærdal, Sogn og Fjordane
Parents: Samuel Torchildsen & Kisti Thorsdr
Bachelor Torkel Samuelsen Hauge & girl Giertrud Olsdr
Marriage: 04 Sep 1796, Lærdal, Sogn og Fjordane
Torchel Samuelsen Hauge & Ingeleif Knudsdr
Marriage: 09 May 1797, Lærdal, Sogn og Fjordane
Torkild Samuelsen Hauge & Marithe Halvorsdr
Marriage: 24 Mar 1799, Lærdal, Sogn og Fjordane
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 17/05/2010 : 02:17:51
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| oh- so 4 wives? wow. i could be wrong about torkels birth year. i determined 1789 from the digitalarkivets search for torkel samuelsen, those married in sogn og fjordane, lærdal, 1752-1821. although, i am not sure how they determine that the birth year. could that be a mistake? |
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 17/05/2010 : 03:17:47
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| ...and may i ask... is there a search that you perform to find the information in these church books, or are you just looking through them? i try to read them- and i am getting a little bit better, but i could never find anything in them if i was hunting. |
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eibache
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Posted - 17/05/2010 : 08:39:40
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In the 1801 census you find Torkel married to his 3rd wife, Torkels parents Samuel Torkelsen (66 years) and Kisti Thorsdatter (64 years), his brother Abraham (24 years) and his sister Marite (33 years).
Marithe was born May 23 and bapt May 28 1867.
Samuel Torchildsen and Kisti Thorsdatter were married Nov 8 1764.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/05/2010 : 10:41:33
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quote:
Originally posted by tmafarrell
I determined 1789 from the digitalarkivets search for torkel samuelsen, those married in sogn og fjordane, lærdal, 1752-1821. although, i am not sure how they determine that the birth year. could that be a mistake?
Do you have a link to where you found "1789"?
"Vigde i Lærdal 1752-1821" does not mention any year of birth for Torkel or Kari.
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Hopkins
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Posted - 17/05/2010 : 11:03:46
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The Digitalarkivet "Vigde i Lærdal 1752-1821" does not appear to list any birth years in that database so his birth of about 1789 was determined how? by who?
The original church records have to be read page by page. But if you have a date for the event you want to find that saves you a great deal of trouble - you search in the parish books of correct location and and the date range and then look for the name (allowing for expected spelling variations). Working out difficult words can be done later at leisure.
There is a research outline available on LDS microfiche at a cost of about 15 cents (US) entitled "Danish-Norwegian paleography". If studied or used as a comparative reference it can help you learn about the older Scandinavian handwriting and examples of types of records encountered.
Another publication which can help you to understand the contents of the Norwegian church records and handwriting styles is "Scandinavian genealogical research manual" by Finn A Thomsen.
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html
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eibache
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Posted - 17/05/2010 : 16:46:29
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Torchiel Bergets son Samuel was bapt Aug 25 1834.
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 17/05/2010 : 16:51:10
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yes- when i search in digitalarkivet for a kari halvorsdatter born between 1780 and 1810 (my best guess for her birth range, knowing nothing about her other than being married in 1820), i get one result for sogn og fjordane... and is says... fødd 1789, reg 1819, førenamn kari, etternamn halvorsdatter, bustad tønjum, kjelde vigde i lærdal 1752-1821.
sorry, i have no link for when you click "kari" the "fødd" information is not to be found.
i guess i am not completely well versed in using digitalarkivet, so i am not aware of all the nuances yet. |
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 17/05/2010 : 17:04:08
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hmm... i'm confused. the samuel torkelsen i found was born 1820 mar 14 and baptised 1820 mar 31.
the one i am looking for married an anna roarsdatter and had a son jens samuelsen born 1837 mar 12. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 17/05/2010 : 17:13:21
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quote:
Originally posted by tmafarrell
the one i am looking for married an anna roarsdatter and had a son jens samuelsen born 1837 mar 12.
Marriage record #33, 1837
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 17/05/2010 : 17:25:19
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| thank you! of course, my fears have come true- i have built my tree with one wrong person! the anna roarsdatter i found was born 1802.02.23, parents roar ingebriktsen and maritte øriensdatter, married 1799.08.06. the marriage record above shows anna roarsdatter was born about 1811. so the information i had was wrong before. thank you for the correction! |
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 19/05/2010 : 08:25:58
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| eibache- the samuel torchelsen i have had a son in 1837 with anna roarsdatter, also married in 1837. i am confused about the above baptism on 25 aug 1834. |
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tmafarrell
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Posted - 19/05/2010 : 17:54:48
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this explains where i found years of birth; they were estimates. from digitalarkivet:
Det neste problemet er at mange ikkje har fødselsår eller alder oppgjeve. Då prøver systemet etter beste evne å estimera eit fødselsår:
Ein konfirmant er rekna å vera fødd 16 år før konfirmasjonen, foreldre til eit dåpsbarn 35 år før, medan fadrar er rekna å vera fødd 60 år før. (Det er for mykje og skal setjast ned.) Brurepar er rekna å vera 30 år gamle. Elles reknar me at folk er 40 då dei vart registrert. |
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