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Ray Syverson
Junior member
USA
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 Posted - 22/10/2010 : 21:26:05
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| In some old records I notice Syver is spelled with "˙"--two little dots over the y--looks like a delightfully happy little y. In handwriting it looks just like ij. I know there are variations of the name Syver like Sjugurd,Sjurd, and similar. I know there is a letter called the Dutch Y that is ˙. I'm interested in finding out why Syver was spelled S˙ver. I assume it had something to do with pronounciation. By any chance does anybody know anything about this? Thanks, Ray |
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hasto
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 23/10/2010 : 00:02:50
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Different sorts of spelling in old documents had little to do with differences in pronounciation. It was different styles of spelling, and different styles of writing the letters.
Here is a link to see: gotic letters. Click on ALFABET and then the letters. |
Harald S Storaker
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 23/10/2010 : 02:06:52
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| Sometimes the penmanship and spelling style of the writer has a great deal to do with where they were educated. I have many old family documents in Norway that were written by a Danish educated 'scribe'... therefore the spelling is very Danish. In Norwegian areas closer to the Swedish border I've seen variations appearing far different. |
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Ray Syverson
Junior member
USA
31 Posts |
Posted - 23/10/2010 : 03:56:30
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| Thank you Harald. Looking though that ALFABET helped clear up some things--like why HERMANN looks like GERMANN in some old records. This area is Valdres. I've just been curious about how the name Syver could have come from Sjugurd/ Sigvart/Sigurd or whatever and thought maybe that happy little Y somehow was part of the puzzle. It seems that even though the spelling was different, the name would be pronounced the same (correct?) But Syver sounds sort of like Seiver, and I think Sjugurd sounds sort of like Sugered in English--or am I wrong? |
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hasto
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 23/10/2010 : 08:36:57
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Danish was the official language in Norway at that time. When a Dane pronounce the name Syver it sounds like "siuwer" or almost like "sjur" to a Norwegian. Also when a Dane pronounce the (older?) name Sigurd it may sound the same.
I think those names have tha same origin, meaning something with "seier" or "siger" (=victory).
Today we tend to try to pronounce the name like they are spelled, so we regard the names Sjur, Syvert and Sigurd as different names. Sjur is a Norwegian spelling of how the name sounds when a Dane pronounces the name. |
Harald S Storaker
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Ray Syverson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 24/10/2010 : 19:21:23
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Thanks Harald ---I think. [:) So Syver to a Dane sounds like siuwer? Is that like sewer? This will be a hard sell to my relatives Ray |
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