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TC Hansen
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 Posted - 10/11/2010 : 14:15:00
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Hello
I have found (also have a hard copy of the documents from my mother) online what I believe to be my grandfather, Henry Marinius Hansens baptismal record DOB 18 JUL 1889, bapt .
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=40&uid=8513&urnread_imagesize=big&hode=nei&ls=1
Also, what are the headings saying under each section? every translator I have found is of the new norwegian language.
My mother believed his parents names to be Janna Elise Ingebretsen DOB 23 OCT 1862 and Lars Peder Hansen DOB 21 NOV 1860 - this seems to bear out on the record (if correct, it looks as though they were married just a few weeks before my GF was born 2 JUL 1889) . But I do not know how to understand the other information on the record (I do get birthdate and bapt date) and he passed sadly when she was just 12yrs old, so there is no way - or anyone else - to find other other living relatives until we can figure this out. She thinks he had a brother and a sister (I may have found them going through the same baptismal records Ingerid Marie 1891, Borghild 1893, Ernst Leonard 1896, Hjordis 1898, Lilly Julie 1900) and that she thinks she remembers her parents going to Canada to visit with an uncle and his wife when she was just a young girl. Where they would be, how to find them, no idea. But I would like to try before my mother passes away and she is now 83yrs old and any of her cousins and maybe their children, they may have photos.
When my GF came to US, for some reason he became written as Hanson - army records and his death - probably due to his army records. They were never corrected and were told they could not be even with the baptismal record (which is why my mother got a copy of it years ago) - no mistake, his wife and children were all Hansen.
I have been told there is another record in regards to the baptism record but have not been able to find it, and on there, it suggests to the names of Janna - his mother - parents names. I guess I wondered if that would have been godparents listed (the link above may be that record actually).
Any help appreciated! until I can fully understand this, I cannot try to find his family, which surely must still be in the area. Someone told me that he would have had another name in Norway - his 'place he came from name' - but no idea what that would be either, than wondered if that was the word before Lars Peter on the record - Styrmand?. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2010 : 14:41:24
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Your link does not work! Working direct links to the scanned images on the Digitalarkivet can be copied and pasted from the desired page from a display option available. At the top of the scanned image page is an option labeled "Bildeinformasjon:" [Norwegian version]/"Image Information"[English version] which is by default set to "Ingen" [Norwegian version]/"None" [English version]. Change that and magic is available. Of the three options I like "Ĝverst" [Norwegian version]/"On top" [English version] because it puts the additional information across the top of the page and is usually easier for me to see.
The first line "Kildeinformasjon:" [Norwegian version]/"Source information" [English version] is a really nice summary of the source of the information and is wonderful to have for making detailed source citations, footnotes, etc.
The second line "Permanent sidelenke:" [Norwegian version]/"Permanent pagelink" [English version] is the best line to capture if you want to save the exact URL location or share the actual scanned image and the source information. It allows the full capabilities for zooming in and out to best view the image and informs the recipient of the exact location, book and other details to be able to find WHERE you found the information.
The third line "Permanent bildelenke:" [Norwegian version]/"Permanent imagelink" [English version] is the best used to print a copy of the image or to save a copy of the image in a jpg format computer file. This line does NOT also capture the source information and therefore is NOT the best line to copy to share online when requesting help or assistance in deciphering the image found.
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site - The article includes translations of the standard column headings of Norwegian church records.
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html
Spelling was never an exact science -- Olson/Olsen.... Hansen/Hanson.... it makes no difference.
Online study material to learn about Norwegian naming practices and patterns.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na12.html
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/names.htm
http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/farms.htm
Also use the online translation lists of common Norwegian words found in genealogy/ancestry related documents. See under "Links" above near UPPER right corner of these pages.
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Edited by - Hopkins on 10/11/2010 14:52:52 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2010 : 14:43:53
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The family in Brevik 1900, 6 children.
His father was a "Styrmand" Chief officer, column 9 in Henry Marinius births record is the godparents (and grandparents) Hans Engebretsen, Janna Elises father, and Pauline Hansen, Lars Peter Hansen´s mother.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 10/11/2010 17:23:50 |
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TC Hansen
Starting member
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15 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2010 : 15:01:52
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here is the actual marriage record : http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5620&uid=ny&idx_side=-151 - I was told that I was wrong and that it actually reads as Feb 7 1889 but I always thought that it was date than month
can anyone translate the actual headers - if it says parents, witnesses, etc - I am guessing that the dates showing 1875 and 1877 are their confirmation dates, affirming they can be married in the church?
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TC Hansen
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Posted - 10/11/2010 : 15:12:44
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Oh! I just saw that several have answered as I was looking for the marriage link.
I am sorry about the links - guess I do need to read up more for proper link placing! - I will
On the marriage record it shows Henry as being from Styr?? and Janna as Do - I see that listed on many other records, so that is their occupations as well vs a location? |
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TC Hansen
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Posted - 10/11/2010 : 15:20:52
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| Thank you very much! I guess our spelling of Ingebretsen was off as well - and it should be spelled with an E - that should help in furthering the research. Again, thank you SO very much! |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2010 : 15:48:28
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The wedding record 1889.
Lars Peter Hansen (column 5, 6 and 7) was "Styrmand" Chief mate/officer from Brevik born in Brevik 1860 and Janna Elise Ingebretsen born in Brevik 1862, column 8 tells both were confirmated in Brevik, Lars Peter 1875 and Janna Elise 1877, column 9 is both fathers; "Matros" Seaman Hans Peter Johansen and "Styrm." Chief mate Hans Johan Ingebretsen, column 10 is the best men; Hans J. Engebretsen and E. Eriksen.
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 10/11/2010 17:22:24 |
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TC Hansen
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Posted - 10/11/2010 : 16:25:27
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Thank you again! but am more confused now.
If the baptism lists Lars Peter Hansen father as Hans I (E?)ngebretsen and the marriage record as "Matros" Seaman Hans Peter Hansen - which is correct? or perhaps the baptism record gives Janna's father and mother, Pauline Hansen. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/11/2010 : 17:25:40
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Hi,
I misunderstood the word "fader" father, sorry for the confusion, I have corrected my posting above.
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TC Hansen
Starting member
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15 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2010 : 17:43:36
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No need to apologize! you are doing far better than I!
I am going to try tracking down the older brother (my mother is excited, as she said she thought he had a brother named Eugene and when I didnt find that baptism record - her believing that her father was the eldest - that her memory was bad - so he is more than likely the uncle she believed to be in Canada) now that I have a name and DOB
Is the I or E in Ingebretsen like Hansen / Hanson? I am guessing that it is just an I in the registar - but if it doesn't matter and subject to how someone 'wrote it' than I will research both ways.
And I thought that marriage record showed Johanssen as well - so I have another name to research it would appear. How to know which is the correct last name now? |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/11/2010 : 18:05:57
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My mother believed his parents names to be Janna Elise Ingebretsen DOB 23 OCT 1862 and Lars Peder Hansen DOB 21 NOV 1860
- she was right, Jannas baptismal record is #2, Lars bapt record is #13.
Wictor Eugen, born 1884 in Porsgrunn, listed as a child in the 1900 census is Janna son born out of wedlock, the father was Hotelwĉrt Hans Kristian Ellefsen. Viktor Eugenes confirmation record is #12.
Your grandfathers emigrant record, leaving through Oslo Sept 20 1906, 170414.
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Edited by - eibache on 10/11/2010 19:22:05 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2010 : 18:16:55
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Ingebrekt and Engebrekt, various spellings for same person, there were no rules for naming, the priest wrote what he heard.
Eugene was Victor Eugen, he was Henry Marinius older halfbrother (see 1900 census above as Wictor Eugen) born Feb. 17. 1884.
He was born out of wedloc to maid Janna Elise Ingebrektsen and Hans Christian Ellefsen, see #42
Last column, nr 11, Victor Eugen was baptised at home and born in Porsgrunn, stated by the mothers father (Hans) Johan Ingebrektsen.
Two of the godparents (mentioned first and last among the godparents in 9. column) "Sĝmand" Seaman Hans Engebrektsen and maid Hanna Engebrektsen, most likely a brother and sister to Janna Elise Engebrektsen.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 10/11/2010 20:12:16 |
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TC Hansen
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Posted - 10/11/2010 : 18:58:46
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Guess the facts about Viktor Eugene makes sense considering the marriage date. I had read somewhere about how the mother has one year in which to marry after a child is born, than must leave the country. That must not have been a hard and fast rule than?
And I am in utter amazement of the info! I could not find my GF's immigration INTO the US at all! I searched through NY (my mother remembered something about his working in NY with an uncle - if true family OR a family friend, not sure - building ships, but I could not find his name on payroll records for a few companies - this story may have some teeth to it as well) as well as Canadian records (going off the assumption that perhaps he emmigrated with his brother who she believed was in Canada)
I am in .. pleasant shock! I cannot even begin to say thank you enough to all 3 of you!
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/11/2010 : 19:45:33
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I believe the baptismal record for Hans Christian Ellefsen, Viktor Eugenes father, is #96. He was from Skien and his parents were Jĝrgen Ellefsen and Karen Oline Olsdatter.
Lars Peters parents, Hans Petter Johnsen and Maren Helene Larsdatter were married Jan 13 1856, see #2. They were both born in Brevig.
Hans Peter was born Dec 31 1824, see #1, his parents were ferryman John Pedersen and Anne Kirstine Eilertsdatter.
Anne Kirstine, her parents and siblings in 1801.
Maren Helene Larsdatter was born Aug 22 1824, see #29. Her parents were Lars Corneliusen and Aslau Helgesdatter.
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Edited by - eibache on 10/11/2010 20:44:26 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/11/2010 : 20:21:56
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A mother leaving Norway because she had one or several children born out of wedloc does not match reality, but it happened, then to my knowledge it was the family and not the authorites that was behind.
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TC Hansen
Starting member
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Posted - 10/11/2010 : 22:25:44
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WOW- I did find a baptism record for a Hanna so that is one more piece of truth in my search.
And someone had contacted me about a possibility of a Hanna Sofia Ingrebretsen being related to my Janna (she picked up on my being in Wisconsin and researching that last name and so thought it could be the same) but she had NO knowledge of any siblings, much less a sister named Janna, just said she was in Wisconsin, and she told me that Hanna's parents came with her to the US, living with her and her husband there until their death. I said the chances of that happening would be very difficult to believe, but there is a small chance that Hanna DID come to the US and settled in the state of Wisconsin - which is where I am located. And if the same woman, she is buried where my mother lives. As well as the parents.
.. anyone else feeling tingles of hope!
THANK you for that piece of (impossible I am sure!) information, I am going to try and track it down and see if they did possibly come across the 'pond'. How amazing if I could prove it and take my mother to their resting places! |
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Brevik - Telemark research
