| Author |
 Topic  |
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
 Posted - 10/11/2010 : 23:25:57
|
Jannas mother Inger Marie was born Aug 15 1834, see #57. her parents were Hans Knudsen and Sebylla Swendsdatter.
|
Einar |
 |
|
|
Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 00:13:32
|
Hi,
you have contributed with much information that has been to a great help TC, we are all happy on your behalf.
When was Hanna Sofie Ingebrektsen born? Perhaps we could find out what happened to her tomorrow.
It´s passed midnight in Norway, time to say hello to Mr Sandman.
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 11/11/2010 00:14:39 |
|
|
|
TC Hansen
Starting member
USA
15 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 04:47:21
|
It is just going on 9pm my time and I too feel the sandman calling :)
From what I can gather on this side, Hanna Sofia was born 2 JAN 1866 - her parents names are exactly the same as Janna's. And Hanna is also in Brevik.
I have not seen a whole lot of Ingebretsens (although I am sure it is a very popular name!) while doing the research, and I suspect why the other researcher contacted me to see if our trees somehow may be intertwined. |
|
|
|
TC Hansen
Starting member
USA
15 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 06:20:17
|
| eibache - very curious as to where you are finding information that is so completely different? as I do not understand norwegian, pointing me in the direction where you are looking would be helpful - and I do so appreciate the researching on my behalf! |
|
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 06:50:03
|
quote:
very curious as to where you are finding information that is so completely different?
- I have some problems with understanding what you mean by "so completely different". If you can tell exactly what you mean, I'll be happy to tell you how I find the information. |
Einar |
|
|
|
Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 10:52:22
|
Hi.
Perhas it´s the naming that is confusing, most af the families kept the traditional Norwegian naming practice, this tradition ended ab. 1900.
Your ggrandfather Henry Marinius should acc. traditional naming practice (more than 1000 years of tradition) been Henry Marinius Larsen (Lars son) Lars Peder Hansen´s son and Henry´s sisters Larsdatter/Larsdr (lars daughter).
Brevik 1865, Janna Elise age 3 and parents, her father was a Skipper, Hans Petter age 25 is recorded as seaman and son, its a wrongspelling, his age dont correspond.
Ingeborg Marie age 50, renter, perhaps a sister to Hans Johan.
You are right about Hanna Sofie b. Jan. 2. 1866, see #11 |
|
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 11:06:29
|
Widower Hans Knudsen, Ouestad (35) and Sebylla Swendsdatter, Westbye (23) were married Jan 14 1824, see #2.
Hans Knudsen and his parents in 1801.
Sebylla (Sibila) was baptized July 13 1800, see top of 3rd column. Her parents were Svend Larsen and Anne Sofie Anbiĝrnsdatter, Westbye, Hedrum in Vestfold.
|
Einar |
|
|
|
TC Hansen
Starting member
USA
15 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 13:41:57
|
Good morning !
eidache - I thought due to Henrys baptismal records, Lars Peters mother was named Pauline Hansen, but you said it's something different, Maren Helene Larsdatter - so than the Pauline Hansen listed on Henry Marinius baptismal record may be someone else in the family?
So was wondering where you came up with searching for (and finding!) the different information.
And I too wondered how come my grandfather did not become a Larsen/son - my fathers parents are from Denmark and his name too is Hansen.
On a side note, in regards to my GF - it was the Army that spelled his name incorrectly as Hanson - and once in, they do NOT accept that they made the mistake, so when he was buried, they made his headstone as Hanson - my mother got the record to show: no, he IS a Hansen - but they refused to accept that as 'proof' - even though they accepted it once before as 'proof' to allow him to enlist. Our military in action! :) |
|
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 18:06:12
|
To clear up the relationship between the different findings I have established the following based on parish records, some links given in earlier postings:
Henry Marinius (Larsen) Hansen, born July 18 1889, bapt Aug 9 1889,
parents Lars Peter Hansen (1860) and Janna Elise Ingebretsen (1862)
Lars Peter Hansen and Janna Elise Ingebretsen were married Febr 7 1889
Lars Peter Hansen, born Nov 21 1860, bapt March 17 1861
parents Hans Peter Johnsen and Maren Helene Larsdatter
Hans Peter Johnsen and Maren Helene Larsdatter were married Jan 13 1856
Hans Peter Johnsen born Dec 31 1824 bapt Febr 20 1825
parents John Pedersen and Anne Kirstine Eilertsdatter
Maren Helene Larsdatter born Aug 22 1824, bapt Nov 10 1824
parents Lars Corneliusen and Aslau Helgesdatter
Janna Elise Ingebretsen, born Oct 23 1862, bapt Jan 1 1863
parents Hans Johan Ingebretsen and Inger Marie Hansdatter
Hans Johan Ingebretsen and Inger Marie Hansdatter were married Febr 7 1861
Hans Johan Ingebretsen, born March 6 1831, bapt May 23 1831
parents Ingebreth Larsen and Martha
Inger Marie Hansdatter born Aug 15 1834 bapt Dec 26 1834
parents Hans Knudsen and Sebylla Svendsdatter
Sibila Svendsdatter, born 1800
In a posting 10/11/2010 you say perhaps the baptism record gives Janna's father and mother, Pauline Hansen - this is a comment to Kċres posting where he lists up the Godparents at Henry Martinius baptism, they were
Faderen (The father),
Hans Ingebretsen,
Moderen (The mother),
Pauline Hansen
How Pauline is connected to Lars Peter or Janna I do not know at this time.
|
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 11/11/2010 23:06:32 |
|
|
|
Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 19:16:13
|
Hi,
I think the problem with Pauline is solved because of indistinct print in the Parish register copy, I read it as;
Faderen Hans Engebretsen, Faderens moder Pauline Hansen.
The father Hans Engebretsen, The fathers mother Pauline Hansen.
When I looked into the Parish register (official) it changed to;
Faderen Hans Engebretsen. Moderen Pauline Hansen
Father Hans Engebretsen. Mother Pauline Hansen, see Godparents column nr 9 for Henry Marinius baptism #13.
Was Pauline Hansen a wrongspelling for Hans Engebretsen´s wife Inger Marie Hansen?
Strange since both the Parish register copy and official used Pauline Hansen, or don´t I see the forest because of the trees.
Kċre
|
Edited by - Kċarto on 11/11/2010 19:29:37 |
|
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 19:55:07
|
Sorry, I do not think "the problem" is solved.
I read #13 in the Parish register (official):
"13, 7-19, 9-8, Henry Marinius, Vagtmand, Styrmand Lars Peter Hansen og H Janna Elise Ingebretsen, Brevik, 1860, 1862, Faderen. Hans Ingebretsen. Moderen. Pauline Hansen., ĉgte"
In the Parish register (Copy) I read:
"13, 19.7, 8.9, Henr˙ Marinius, Styrmand Lars Peter Hansen og h Janna Elise Engbretsen, 1860, 1862, Vagtm Hans Engbretsen. Faderen Moderen. Pauline Hansen, Ĉgte"
Clearly there were 4 Godparents, two men and two women, which it should be!
I think we have to look for info on Pauline to get her rightly into the picture.
|
Einar |
|
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 20:04:25
|
When Lars Peter and (Janna) Elise baptized their daughter Ingerid Marie, see #5 the Godparents were: Hans Ingebretsen, Faderen, Moderen, Nelie Lorentsen.
When Borghild was baptized, see #17 the Godparents were: Hans Johan Ingebretsen, Johan Ingebretsen, Sofie Andersen, Moderen.
When Ernst Leonard was baptized, see #13 the Godparents were: Johan Gustav Hĝglund, Elias Eriksen, Moderen, Margrete Lovise Just.
When Hjĝrdis was baptized, see #19 the Godparents were: Hans J. Ingebretsen, Herm. Hansen, Moderen, Anna Halvorsen.
When Lilly Julie was baptized, see #21 the Godparents were: Severin Knudsen, Eugene Hansen, Ida Karlsen, Moderen.
So far no good info to define Paulines relationship with the family.
The only Pauline Hansen in the 1900 census is the widow after Bernhard Herre living with three sons of her son Anders Bernhardsen.
|
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 11/11/2010 20:53:01 |
|
|
|
Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 20:30:40
|
Could the parents be godparents to their own child?
I thought the parents selected the Godparents among family, neighbors and friends.
The Godparents resposibility was to look after that the parents raised the child in the Christian faith.
Kċre |
|
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 20:45:17
|
Look at the other baptismal records at that time and place, it seems like it was quite common that the parents were also Godparents.
|
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 11/11/2010 20:53:42 |
|
|
|
Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2010 : 00:03:32
|
Yes I notised that, still very strange.
Brevik 1885 census;
Hans Petter Johnsen 1824, Ferryman, Maren Helene Johnsen 1824, his wife, Lars Petter Hansen 1860, their child and seaman, Anne Jonette Hansen 1859, their child, Alfred Karenius Gundersen 1882 is also recordes as their child?, see down page house Nr. : 69
Lars Petter Hansen also had a sister Aslau Karolin in 1865
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 12/11/2010 00:06:46 |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
|
|
Brevik - Telemark research
