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ToreL
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 Posted - 28/01/2019 : 16:19:30
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A clipping from the piece about Grande farm in a bygdebook for Ørland, where Kirsten Skanke (no. 7 below) came from:
There is no bygdebook for Bjugn, where Ove and Kirsten lived in 1865 and 1875. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/01/2019 : 16:50:42
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I am still a little curious where the Hjemdahl name comes from. Not much on the internet for that name. This one form Facebook
Hjemdahl Sons of Norway Lodge
November 6, 2017 ·
Hjemdahl Sons of Norway Lodge #4-481 of Valley City, ND Meets the third Friday of each month unless otherwise noted. Meeting time is 7pm at the Valley City Eagles Club.
And as Jan Peter found the name Hjemdahl is quite common in Kristiansand, Vest-Agder.
And there is a Syvert Andersen Hjemdahl age born 1849 living in Christiansand in the 1865 Census. Working as a Shipyard boy.
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Perhaps the name was picked up from the father of Alfhild. Although the birth year does not fit not the location of Hovide? Bergen
Also they seem to use the word Sjøfarendes
As in Sjøfarendes Aldershjem.
I wonder is Sjøfarendes regional ie from the Agder region? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 28/01/2019 : 17:15:26
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Everything in the mud will out!
Her father is named Syvert Andersen Hovde from Bergen but sailors are definitely mobile.... |
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ToreL
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Posted - 28/01/2019 : 17:17:59
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Another way to write Hjemdahl would be Heimdal. There are many Heimdals in Norway, but one is inside the current city of Trondheim.
Sjøfarende is not a name, it means Seafaring or Seafarer. Sjøfarendes aldershjem can be found all over Norway, originally they were homes for old, retired sailors and their spouses.
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ToreL
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Posted - 28/01/2019 : 20:48:34
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Her father is named Syvert Andersen Hovde from Bergen but jsailors are definitely mobile....
His age is given as ca. 28 years, which fits nicely with the father at this baptism in Ålesund in 1905. The same family lives in nearby Hareid in 1910, where his place of birth is given as (also nearby) Ørsta, which makes sense since there are several Hovde farms in Ørsta. At the 1900 census he was a 40 year old bachelor working at a guano factory, and one can easily imagine that he also had some years behind him as a sailor. Whether a girl in Trøndelag at that time couldn't distinguish between the Ørsta and Bergen dialects, I can't say. In any case, without more to corrroborate it, this is all just speculation. I tried to find a Sivert Andersen Hovde in Bergen's seamen's rolls, without any luck.
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AntonH
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Posted - 28/01/2019 : 21:27:28
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I have not seen much in this thread on the husband Edward Anderson. This might be the marriage record for him and Anne Bergette
Edward Anderson
in the Iowa, Marriage Records, 1880-1940Name: Edward Anderson
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age: 29
Birth Year: abt 1863
Birth Place: Norway
Marriage Date: 31 Dec 1892
Marriage Place: Woodbury, Iowa, USA
Father: Anders Pederson
Mother: Anne Erickson
Spouse: Annie Ber
His FAG record shows birth date of Mar 1864
Name: Edward Anderson
Birth Date: Mar 1864
Birth Place: Norway
Death Date: 2 Jun 1951
Death Place: Union County, South Dakota, United States of America
Cemetery: Roseni Lutheran Church Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Beresford, Union County, South Dakota, United States of America
And the only candidate from Ancestry.com is
Name: Edvard Pedersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 8 mar 1864
Baptism Date: 1 mai 1864 (1 May 1864)
Baptism Place: Idd, Østfold, Norway
Father: Anders Pedersen
Mother: Anne
FHL Film Number: 307028
In 1875
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AntonH
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Posted - 28/01/2019 : 23:07:28
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I also noticed that the online trees seemed to stop at Ove Andreas Olsen Næs and not put up his parents. Here is candidate from page one for Ove Andreas and his parents.
Ove Andreas Olsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Ove Andreas Olsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 apr 1833
Baptism Date: 28 apr 1833
Baptism Place: , Orland, Sor Trondelag, Norway
Father: Ole Nielssen
Mother: Ane Birgitha Johansdr
FHL Film Number: 126713
#85
Ove and wife came to America as well and both died in South Dakota.
Ove O Berg
in the South Dakota, Death Index, 1879-1955
Name: Ove O Berg
Death Date: Jun 1920
Death Place: Union, South Dakota, USA
Certificate Number: 70606
Page Number: 69
But what about their ancestors in Norway.
Looking at the 1865 Census for Ove Olsen on Berg we see his father listed as Ole Nilsen born 1792 in Bynæssets Prgj, also shows a sibling of Ove named Gidsken born in 1842 in Bjugns. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/01/2019 : 01:18:44
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quote:
Originally posted by ToreL
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Her father is named Syvert Andersen Hovde from Bergen but jsailors are definitely mobile....
His age is given as ca. 28 years, which fits nicely with the father at this baptism in Ålesund in 1905. The same family lives in nearby Hareid in 1910, where his place of birth is given as (also nearby) Ørsta, which makes sense since there are several Hovde farms in Ørsta. At the 1900 census he was a 40 year old bachelor working at a guano factory, and one can easily imagine that he also had some years behind him as a sailor. Whether a girl in Trøndelag at that time couldn't distinguish between the Ørsta and Bergen dialects, I can't say. In any case, without more to corrroborate it, this is all just speculation. I tried to find a Sivert Andersen Hovde in Bergen's seamen's rolls, without any luck.
Did you try Yttrehovde?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038282006240
Many Norwegian newspapers in late November 1928 mention a "sunnmørske hvalfanger skipper Sivert Hovde" might this be him?
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/01/2019 : 01:56:56
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So here is some further information on the two Siverts, (Actually one Sivert)
The married one from Hovde posted by Tore is likely this one.
Name: Sivert Andersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 mai 1860 (20 May 1860)
Baptism Date: 10 jun 1860
Baptism Place: Orsta,More Og Romsdal,Norway
Father: Anders Gundersen
Mother: Ane Marta Mortensdr
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And the family in the 1910 Census, he is called Sivert Hovde.(posted by Tore)
1910
And he has the same parents as the one from the 1865 Census posted by Jackie.
And married in 1904 in Skodje
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Anders Gundersen married Anne Marthe Mortensdatter on June 9, 1850.
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ToreL
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Posted - 30/01/2019 : 17:16:01
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Many Norwegian newspapers in late November 1928 mention a "sunnmørske hvalfanger skipper Sivert Hovde" might this be him?
He is a character in the boys' story Gutter under Sydkorset published in 1928. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/01/2019 : 17:50:38
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| Fiction then not non-fiction. Okay, the Sivert Andersen Hovde of the posted links died in 1943 on or about 27 December. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 30/01/2019 : 18:41:38
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| The daughter Mathilde born in 1904 and baptized in 1905 lived until 1990. Her married name was Haugen. Both she and her parents, plus some siblings as well as descendants of Mathilde are listed in a family tree on MyHeritage. I can't see more, since I don't have a relevant subscription, but if someone here does, it should be possible to contact the owner of the tree and ask. This is fairly recent history, and the family may know if Sivert spent some years as a sailor before he married. |
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karenmccrill
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Posted - 30/01/2019 : 22:19:12
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| I am a great granddaughter of Alfheld. I use to talk to my grandma about her mother all the time and she said her mother didn't talk about her younger years much so she does not know much about it. She did tell me that she thought Annie came to the US by herself and left Alfheld back in Norway with her grandparents and she came to the US when she was 6. So that much I do know. I appreciate all the info you can give me. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/01/2019 : 23:34:56
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She did tell me that she thought Annie came to the US by herself and left Alfheld back in Norway with her grandparents and she came to the US when she was 6
Well that story seems to be fairly accurate. We know from page one that Anne O. Berg came in 1891.
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And that Alfhlld came the next year with her grandparents Ove and Kjerstin Berg.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 31/01/2019 : 01:28:21
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Originally posted by ToreL
The daughter Mathilde born in 1904 and baptized in 1905 lived until 1990. Her married name was Haugen. Both she and her parents, plus some siblings as well as descendants of Mathilde are listed in a family tree on MyHeritage. I can't see more, since I don't have a relevant subscription, but if someone here does, it should be possible to contact the owner of the tree and ask. This is fairly recent history, and the family may know if Sivert spent some years as a sailor before he married.
The obituary for Mathilde Haugen in Sunnmørsposten 11 May 1990 mentions that she is a wife, mother, mother-in-law, grandmother, great grandmother, and aunt, so there are apparently a number of descendants and relatives. I cannot get more than the OCR read as I don't have the "right" IP address. |
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