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Lester Hanson
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 Posted - 05/04/2011 : 17:12:51
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Originally posted by jwiborg
"Bertine Jansen" (30) arrived New York on June 4th, 1888.
Jan Peter
Here is a litle more information regarding her arrrival. If you have access to Ancestry.com. she on their page10, passenger #450.
Name: Bertine Jansen
Arrival Date: 4 Jun 1888
Birth Year: abt 1858
Age: 30
Gender: Female
Place of Origin: Noerwegen
Port of Departure: Amsterdam, Netherlands and Boulogne Sur Mer, France
Destination: New York
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Edam
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ldepanian
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Posted - 05/04/2011 : 17:25:05
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Oh my! I am absolutely, utterly overwhelmed! I could cry with happiness to tell the truth! Thank you all so very much... this is more information than I'd ever dreamed possible... how incredibly kind you all are to have helped me.... thank you, thank you, thank you!
If anyone ever needs help with Massachusetts lookups, please let me know... I would be more than happy to help in whatever way I can.
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eibache
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Posted - 05/04/2011 : 17:55:27
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Mikolai is actually recorded as Michael Lauritz at the baptismal record and his father was pilot Jens Michelsen, mother Berthe Nielsdatter, they were living at Østre Sandøen.
Jens Michelsen, 24 years and Birthe Nielsdatter, 23 years, both from østre Sandøen, were married Nov 30 1816, see #23.
Jens Michelsen was baptized Sept 30 1792, see #35, his parents were Michel Nielsen and Alov Jensdatter at Sandøen.
Birthe Nielsdatter was baptized Dec 15 1793, see #33, her parents were Niels Simensen and Abelone Poulsdatter at Sandøen.
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Edited by - eibache on 05/04/2011 20:38:37 |
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ldepanian
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Posted - 05/04/2011 : 23:32:22
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Hello Einar... yes, I found that the link on your name brought me to your profile, so I owe you an apology for the previous message I'd sent in not using your first name. Einar, thank you so very much for all this information, you're truly amazing! I can't begin to tell you how much it means to me, my husband, children - and my mother-in-law as well. She just turned 90 years old and has so enjoyed learning more about where her grandmother came from. As I'd mentioned before, we always thought it was Kristiana.
So for Mikolai, it would appear then that his middle name was Lauritz? And if I'm understanding correctly, he was a farmer and a fisherman? I'm guessing that the "pilot" designation for him, from the "Lods" notation on the census and what you had told me about it's meaning (for his father as well apparently) indicates they piloted boats. Would that be correct?
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hasto
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Posted - 06/04/2011 : 00:27:32
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Michael (Mikolai) Lauritz had two given names. That was common in Norway at that time (as it is today).
Yes, a lods piloted boats (not planes, at that time). |
Harald S Storaker
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ldepanian
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Posted - 06/04/2011 : 01:52:07
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Hi Harald... thank you so much for confiming. Yes, that's what I figured on the naming. And yep... wouldn't be a plane, would it? ;) But yes, given the location of where they lived, boats would make sense. So, forgive my ignorance if you will please, but would it make sense that the boat connection would indicate fishing? Or is it possible there was another type of boating connection? I guess it would help if I did some research on what types of industry and jobs there were in the area for the time.
Thank you again... you all are so kind.
Linda
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Lester Hanson
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ldepanian
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Posted - 06/04/2011 : 03:40:51
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Hi Les... thanks! This is awesome! You know, I'm having a tough time reading the writing and the names - have to get better at reading the old records...and of course the language barrier doesn't help. ;( But I'll keep at it... these are new records for me to become familiar with...with some time, I think I'll get the hang. Much like my trying to decipher some of the French records from my own family, it gets easier with more and more exposure to them.
I'm having such a wonderful time with all this information and learning about my husband's family... and of course, learning more and more about Norway too. What a beautiful country! Stunning! Before this, I had really only spent time with French Canadian, English, Irish and American records. For my own family history, that's all that I've needed. So this has been a mind bender for me. Perhaps it'll provide some insight for looking into Bertha's husband's Danish records. A daunting task, but one that I'm hoping for an opportunity to do so.
You know, I had 'happened' upon this site some time ago... posted a quick message and crossed my fingers. A few days ago, I picked it up again and with the discovery of the mis-transcribed name of Bertha's father so many people have been incredibly helpful. I'm absolutely floored!
I really hope that if anyone else is reading this thread, and find that they might need some help with Massachusetts records, they will let me know so that I can happily return the kindness. I live centrally in MA, have access to Ancestry.com and am a member of the New England Genealogical Society as well as the DAR and Daughters of Founders and Patriots of America. So I do have access to those databases and a willingness to look into whatever records someone might need.
Okay... must be off to bed. Early morning meeting tomorrow.
Thank you again! It's lovely to be able to see Bertha's family "growing" before my very eyes. We never knew anything at all about siblings for her.
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eibache
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Posted - 06/04/2011 : 07:02:54
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Here is another brother for Berthe, page 101 # 105. born 6 Oct. 1867. Nikolai ????.
- Nikolai Sewerin.
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Another brother, Mikolai ?????, psge 115, #52, born 17 Mar 1869
- Mikolai Ambjørn.
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I guess it would help if I did some research on what types of industry and jobs there were in the area for the time.
- in most records Mikolai Lauritz occupation is Lods = Pilot. The area where his family was living, østre (eastern) Sandø (today Sandøya) clearly indicate the need for piloting services, see map.
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eibache
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Posted - 06/04/2011 : 15:19:41
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Niels Simensen and Abelone Poulsdatter from Sanøen were married Febr 5 1786, see 2nd couple in far right column.
Michel Nielsen and Alof Jensdatter from Sanøen were married Jan 5 1777, see top record in far right column.
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 08/04/2011 : 04:05:27
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These church records are very hard for me to read also, but When I make a mistake, the experts will tell me. I think I found the marriage record for Amborg Helene's parents.
Page 238, #6, 20 Jan 1826.http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=787&idx_id=787&uid=ny&idx_side=-198
I read it as Gunder Jensen age 30, and Berthe Margrethe Hansen age 17.5..
Gunder's father is Jens Gundersen, and Berthe's father is Peder Hanssen (Good last name )
Amborg Helene has an older brother named Jens, See page 12, #49, born 8 Sep. 1926. http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=787&idx_id=787&uid=ny&idx_side=-16
Here is the birth record for Jens Martin, Bertha's younger brother: born 18 March 1863 on page 63, #31.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=789&idx_id=789&uid=ny&idx_side=-66
Les
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ldepanian
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Posted - 08/04/2011 : 21:06:18
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| Thank you again Einar, Les & Harald... this information is so much to take in and review... have been so busy with actual work these past few days I haven't had much time to devote to this. But am hoping to spend time later in the weekend - hope you are all well. Thank you again and again and again! ;) |
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ldepanian
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Posted - 10/04/2011 : 15:21:20
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Hi... am just now able to begin actually uploading and entering the details of all these wonderful records into my database and find that I need a little help with translation... Einar sent the following link to Bertha's Baptismal record, but was wondering if someone could translate for me what it says in each of the columns????
The baptismal record for Bertine Mikolaisdatter (Jensen) = Bertha Jensen is #92, born Oct 8 1858.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=789&idx_id=789&uid=ny&idx_side=-31
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eibache
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Posted - 10/04/2011 : 16:08:17
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1st column - record nr. in this book #92
2nd column - birth date which was Oct 8
3rd column - baptismal date which was Nov 21
4th column - childs full name was Bertine
5th column - born in or out of wedlock (ægte or uægte) says do. = ægte
6th column - parents full name, occupation and residence is Matros (sailor) Mikolai Lourits Jensen og (and) Ingeborg Helene Gundersdatter at Sandøen
7th column - Godparents names - they were Anna Jansdatter, Marte Gundersdatter, Jens Gundersen, Jens Bartinus Jensen, Ola Sewerin Gundersen Sandøen
8th column - whether and by whom baptized at home - baptized at home by Haans Aamundsen
9th column - information related to children born out of wedlock
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ldepanian
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Posted - 10/04/2011 : 17:59:45
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Thank you Einar! This is a huge help to understand what the column headings are as well as the additional information with names... I tried using some translation websites, found the Google Translator to be best so far, but given the old spellings it didn't always find what I'd needed for all of the headings.
I don't dare ask for translations on the marriage ones at this time... I don't want to take advantage of your time, you've been so kind already. But if there is a possibilty at some future time, could I please have the translations for
The marriage record for Mikolai and Amborg. 27 March 1857. http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=789&idx_id=789&uid=ny&idx_side=-237
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