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davidcarlsen
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 Posted - 12/04/2011 : 07:03:26
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| Please help me read this record. The fourth entry on the left page under Feb 6 - Birte Karine - everything the record says ( parents, farm, witnesses, whatever) Birte Karine |
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 12/04/2011 : 08:11:25
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Birte Karines father was Johannes Olsen. Mothers name not given at this periode. Johannes Olsen, his wife and children in 1801.
Johannes Olsen, Gamel Aasen and Anne Thurene Andersdatter were married Oct 9 1790, see 5th couple on left page.
Anne Turine was baptized Oct 23 1757, see 3rd record from bottom of right page. Her father was Anders Gullichsen, Lindaas.
Johannes Olsens son Hans was born at Linaas and baptized Febr 26 1797, see 3rd record on right page.
The son Ole was born at Liøterud and baptized Aug 3 1794, see 6th record on left page.
The daughter Anne Olea was baptized Olea June 8 1800, see top record on right page.
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Edited by - eibache on 12/04/2011 09:10:03 |
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 12/04/2011 : 08:22:55
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Here is another record in Buskerud - this time Kongsberg. Berthe Carine
The spelling of the name is the same as the spelling in the census record . The Sandsvaer record has a different spelling but is more consistent with the age. Do you think there is any possibility the Kongsberg record is the birth record for the child in the census record? |
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 12/04/2011 : 09:12:26
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Do you think there is any possibility the Kongsberg record is the birth record for the child in the census record?
- no, her father was Jon Olsen, Stordalen.
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 12/04/2011 : 09:39:37
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| Thanks for all the help. Born in 1757, she is closer to 44 in 1801 than 40 as it says in the census - is that common? |
Edited by - davidcarlsen on 12/04/2011 09:42:33 |
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 12/04/2011 : 09:59:07
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This farm had many names, Linaaseie, Lindaaseie, Lindseth, Plassen, Lindåsløkka and Dagseth.
Today´s name is Lindseth, farm register; gnr 99, b nr 18.
Johannes Olsen was leaseholder and carpenter.
Birte Karine 1791, Hans 1797 and Olea 1800 died of smallpox Oct.. 1801 and were buried in the same coffin in the cemetery at Hedenstad church Nov. 1.
Left page line 2-3-and 4 above 23 Trinit: Nov 8, see here
Ole 1794 takes over the farm 1823.
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eibache
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Posted - 12/04/2011 : 14:40:58
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Born in 1757, she is closer to 44 in 1801 than 40 as it says in the census - is that common?
- 4 years difference is not common, but differences is not uncommon.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 12/04/2011 : 16:58:22
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Are you most interested in Birte Karine Johannesdatter or do you want most possible information about the entire family?
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 12/04/2011 : 23:29:26
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This may be the wrong family. I am very interested in the things like the death of 3 from smallpox, buried in same coffin in a known place. This would make it impossible that Birte Karine is my 3rd GGM married in 1812 and having children through the 1820's. Now I need to review this whole thing. I will post a couple of links in an edit as soon as I can look them up. One of the things I am curious about is why you even looked at that death record? What caused you to look there?
Update: Here is a marriage record of a Berthe Johannesd - Jun 28 to Knud Hansen. I have thought this is my 3GGM until not being able to find a birth record in this time period except what has been now shown to be impossible. The Kongsberg record in my earlier post in this topic shows the Father as Jon Olsen, which doesn't work with the Johannesd name throughout the records showing children to Knud and Berthe - 1812,1813,1814,1815,1818,1822,1824,and 1826.
Here is Marthe - second on right page - and I believe is my 2GGM. My search is for the true birth record of the Berthe Johannesd. who is the mother of this family. |
Edited by - davidcarlsen on 12/04/2011 23:59:37 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/04/2011 : 00:30:11
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Hi,
I live in Kongsberg, grew up in Sandsvær, I pass Lindseth many times a year.
I also have the Bygdebooks from Sandsvær.
From the wedding record I read;
Knud Hansen Docka and Berthe Johannesdatter Wahl.
Wahl/ Wåhl is farms in Sandsvær.
Docka/Dokka is probably Jondalen, former parish north of Kongsberg, today a part of Kongsberg municipality.
Knud was probaly from Jondalen and Berthe from Sandsvær.
The baptism for Marthe, parents;
Knud and Berthe from the wedding above,
at least three godfathers were from Jondalen, Kittils and Hans Joendalen and Anders Bikien.
I will try to look better into it tomorrow.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 13/04/2011 00:33:49 |
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 13/04/2011 : 01:55:12
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| Thanks - this is fantastic. The information I have on this line stops with Berthe and I am very interested in getting true information about her, her parents and on back as far as it may be available. Any information about their lives such as you were able to translate from the records of the other family is of great interest to me. My hope is to eventually identify current day descendants of my ancestors who may still live in Norway and make contact. |
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 13/04/2011 : 07:04:54
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Here is Marthe - second on right page - and I believe is my 2GGM.
- I think it would be worth while to have the reason for believing that this Marthe is your 2GGM.
This Marthe had a sister Anne born in 1815, and Maren in 1818 - is that right?
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Edited by - eibache on 13/04/2011 07:12:08 |
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 13/04/2011 : 09:08:24
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| Thanks for bringing up the question Einar. I have looked at additional information and it appears that there are two Marthes that are proposed for this family. This One - last birth in 1797 left side seems like the accurate one as the record is in Hof and the 1797 date is more likely. I have found a marriage record and this record for my GGF - Carl Johnsen - bottom left. I am sure of this from my Grandmother's records |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 13/04/2011 : 10:31:09
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This was not easy, it appears a few Docka/Dokka in Kongsberg in the 1700 probateregister and in the1801 census.
There are also a few Dokka farms in Sandsvær (learning something new every day), no Knud Hansen Docka or his father Hans Docka so fare.
Hans Gundersen Otterengen lived on Dokka gnr 42/2 in 1764, could be Knuds father.
Berthe Johanesdatter Wala , Probably Wåla, probably todays Hvåla in Sandsvær, she seems to hide well.
Need more time to look for her father Johannes Wala.
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 13/04/2011 : 17:10:05
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| Kaarto - i no longer think Knud Hansen Docka is the right person. The post just above yours identifies a Marthe Knudsd that is probably the right one. The smallpox death information has triggered some additional research that uncovered some erroneous record cross-overs. |
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eibache
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Posted - 13/04/2011 : 17:13:07
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I have looked at additional information and it appears that there are two Marthes that are proposed for this family.
- who comes up with the proposal? - Are they trustworthy?
My question is really who are the ancestors you start out with which has lead you to the Birte Karine?
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