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SusanArnold
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USA
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Posted - 08/05/2011 :  19:19:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok, have reviewed links again and understand a little better... so I guess Eirik Endresson and Marta Endresdtr are 2 of Inger's siblings, and parents are Endre and Ingebjorg? So will guess the other Ingebjorg b.1891 may be Inger's niece?

7239 1 Eirik Endressøn m b Hf ug Gaardbruger, selveier 1874 t n s Vaaningshuset:
7240 1 Endre Eirikssøn m b Hf g Føderaadsmand 1824 t n s
7241 Ingebjørg Eiriksdtr k b Hm g Føderaadskone 1836 t n s
7242 Ingebjørg Steffensdtr k b Pleiedatter ug Pleiedatter 1891 t n s Fjøset:
7243 Marta Endresdtr k b Tj ug Tjenestepige 1869 t n s (hush. nr. 1)
7244 Inger Endresdtr k b Tj ug Tjenestepige 1876 t n s (hush. nr. 1)


Sue Hardin

Edited by - SusanArnold on 08/05/2011 19:25:17
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hasto
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Norway
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Posted - 08/05/2011 :  19:45:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, Ingebjørg Steffensdatter, born Dec 9 1891 is a niece. She was daughter of Gudve Endresdatter.

Harald S Storaker
4586 Korshamn, Norge
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 08/05/2011 :  19:52:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have no problems to understand your doubts and difficulty to read and understand Norwegian church books and records and to understand the Norwegian naming practices in a few days.

The informantion available seems honest and safe to me.

The more times you read the content you will understand.

Good luck.

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 08/05/2011 19:52:54
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janrm
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Norway
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Posted - 09/05/2011 :  05:54:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

A lot of interest in this topic!

A local history book ("bygdebok") for Voss is also available online:

http://www.ullstad.com/index.htm?/vossaboki/vossaboki.htm

It is called "Vossaboki" in dialect!

You might find some details there,

Jan, (Mr.) Norway
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 09/05/2011 :  10:28:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not much information concerinng Inger Endresdatter Gjerald exept for been born 1876.
The author use the local pronunciation Jerald on the farm.
Father Endre Eriksen died 1911 and mother Ingebjørg 1912.

Facinating story;
Endre Gjerald was a skilled hunter, in 1869 he and Lars Gjerald had a close combat with a wounded bear that bite Endre in his hand, schoulder and thigh.
Lars came and after first beating the bear in the head and back with the rifle managed to kill it with a shot, see less than half way down, headline: Dei einskilde bruk starts with when Endre bought half of Gjerald in 1851;
Endre Eriksen kjøpte 1851 halve....... , see volume 4 Jerald page 329 here

Strange Inger´s wedding record to Lars do not exist.
Maybe they em. without being married in Norway?

Gjerald 1930

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 09/05/2011 12:06:10
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 09/05/2011 :  12:29:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They married 1901 in Milawaukee, Wisconsin as Rohde.

Enter LDS records here and spell;

Louis Rohde
spose Inger
marriage.

Louis Rohde married Inger Erickson April 11. 1901 in Milwaukee, Wisc.
Parents: Tarkil Rohde and Martha Rodhe
Andrew Ericson and Mrs Ericson

Tarkil Rohde:Torkel Pedersen Rødde
Martha Rohde: Martha Andersdatter Rødde
Andrew Erickson: Endre Ericsen
Mrs. Erickson: Ingebjørg Eriksdatter

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 09/05/2011 12:46:02
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 10/05/2011 :  00:26:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,
98, I hope she remember some stories.
It seems like the first they did in the US was to get married.

Milwaukee to my knowlede, many Norwegain immigrants came there first.

She married as Inger Erickson, in Norway she was Endres daugter, Inger Endresdatter, she changed to her fathers lastname Erickson in the US.

No visiting from family in Norway in the wedding, only names given to the clerk.

Kåre

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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 10/05/2011 :  05:16:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

Clearly the transcribed passenger record from Norway (they left through Bergen) shows them as a married couple.


Bergen 193 1901 Mars 8 Lars Torkelsen Rody m gift Smedemester 1868 33 Voss State of Ill Amerik Borger Stjerne L pp
42847 Bergen 194 1901 Mars 8 Inger Endresdtr Rody f Forr Hustru 1876 25 Voss Voss Stjerne L pp

But their marriage record is also found at the Wisconsin Historical Society webpage:

Marriage Record Details
Last Name: Rohde
First Name: Louis
Day: 11
Month: April
Year: 1901
County: Milwaukee
Volume: 32
Page: 0529

Last Name: Erickson
First Name: Inger
Day: 11
Month: April
Year: 1901
County: Milwaukee
Volume: 32
Page: 0526

The search for possible partners at the site didn't work but apparently the page in the county book is incorrect for one or the other entry. You could get a copy of the marriage record from the county office or through the Wisconsin Historical Society website.

Welcome to the wacky world of genealogy!

Jackie M.
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SusanArnold
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USA
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Posted - 12/05/2011 :  00:27:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hasto

Lars Torkelsen Rødde, born 1868,


in the 1875 census with Lars family record, it listed a Gulleik Eriksson (HF) born 1799... how was he related to Lars, as Lars later married Inger with same last name? were they cousins?

Sue Hardin

Edited by - SusanArnold on 12/05/2011 00:29:33
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SusanArnold
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USA
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Posted - 12/05/2011 :  01:54:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by eibache

Lars Torkelsens parents and siblings in 1865.
Martha Andersdatter is Torkel Pedersens 3rd wife, their children were
Maria, Anders, Knut, Kari, Lars.
Children with 2nd wife Maria Sjursdatter were Sjur and Malina.
Child with 1st wife Gjertru Christophersdatter was Anders.

Widower Torkel Pedersen and Martha Andersdatter were married July 6 1854, see #13.
Torkel Pedersen was then 43 years and his father was Peder Johnsen.
Martha Andersdatter was 25 years, came from Gjerre and her father was Anders Andersen, Taulen.



ok, HELP... there is another Lars from Gjerald farm b. 1866, is he related to Inger Erickson?
(copied)...Hordaland, 1235 Voss
Fødd Reg Rolle Førenamn Etternamn Bustad Kjelde
1866 1900 Lars Torbjørsssøn Gjerald 1900-telling for 1235 Voss



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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/05/2011 :  02:34:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

Well Lars Torbjorson Gjerald is not Ingre's brother. He may or may not be related. Gulleik Eriksson may or may not be related either. Her patronymic name in Norway would have been "Endresdatter" because her father's name is Endre. Just because her father was the son of an Erik and Gulleik is the son of an Erik doesn't mean that they are related--they would be related if they are sons of the same Erik. Of course there could be some other relationship which research would reveal.

Jackie
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 12/05/2011 :  07:59:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From Vossaboki (part 4) you will find Inger and her siblings:
Ingebjørg b. 1857, married 1879 to Olav Knutson Rokne,
Gudve b. 1859, married 1887 to Steffa Larsson Rokne,
Anna b. 1867, married 1893 to Per Knutson Jerald,
Marta b. 1869, married 1902 to Olav Klasson Vele,
Brita b. 1871,
Eirik b. 1874 and
Inger (named Ingjerd) b. 1876.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 12/05/2011 08:00:22
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eibache
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Norway
6495 Posts

Posted - 12/05/2011 :  08:38:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
also didn't understand member who posted Inger had been a "servant" at the Gjerald farm, and not sure if meaning is the same in English?
- information came from the census recording. See 1900.
"Tjenestepige" = female servant.
Ingers brother Eirik had just taken over the farm according to information given in Vossaboki.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 12/05/2011 08:49:15
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Hopkins
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USA
3351 Posts

Posted - 12/05/2011 :  14:16:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
in the 1875 census with Lars family record, it listed a Gulleik Eriksson (HF) born 1799... how was he related to Lars, as Lars later married Inger with same last name? were they cousins?


quote:
there is another Lars from Gjerald farm b. 1866, is he related to Inger Erickson?


You can't judge if persons are related to each other without more in-depth research.
Cousins would have to have at least one grandparent in common. You'd have to research the ancestry of each of the persons you find of interest and find that out. There are at least 126 persons in the Voss area alone identified with the patronymic Eriksen or Eriksdatter for the 1875 census -- all that indicates is that each of them was the child of someone named Erik (or other spelling variation). It was a common name and there were a good number of men named Erik - at least 115 males with that name in Voss in the 1865 census...
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Hopkins
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Posted - 13/05/2011 :  05:02:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What other census showed Inger's mother married to someone named Ole Knutson, where was that census?

The 1910 Norwegian census looks like Endre and Ingebørg are still very married...
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1910&knr=1235&kenr=017&bnr=0045&lnr=00
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