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shanananderson
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 Posted - 16/05/2011 : 16:15:55
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I am researching this for someone else...
Her ancestor is Charles Iver Smith. He claims to have arrived on the Bothnia 5 May 1892. (Bothnia arrived on the 29 April in 1892 but 5 May in 1890)
We know he changed his name to Smith. On his memorial service it says his parents as Mr & Mrs John Hammer of Trondjhem. He has siblings John Hammer of Grand Rapids, Wisconsin, Johan Hammer of Trondjhem and a sister Mrs Sam Benson of Blackduck, Minnesota.
I found John I. Hammer consistently from 1900 on in Grand Rapids. Married to Alice and two children Ida and John/Jack. I also found him in the Norwegian Digital Archives having traveled on the Oslo in 1912 and his name there is John Iver Hammer. His birth is about 1860 and he migrated about 1880
I found Samuel Benson and his wife Christine in Blackduck consistently from 1900 as well. Christine was born about 1875.
I've been searching the Baptisms at familysearch.org
also been searching the 1875 Norway Census at the digital archives and am not getting anywhere. I've tried the Hammer surname, but also have been trying Johnson et al as well since the patrynomic naming pattern was still in use at that time.
There is also a marriage certificate which it is believed to be Charles and his wife Olgas. Names are C. I. Sandstad and Olga Petersen. Marriage is 23 Dec 1902 Spokane WA. I am still not convinced this is thier marriage as thier son Harry was born in 24 Mar 1901. But I have compared signatures on the marriage cert and his WWI Draft card and there are definate similarities in the signatures.
Charles (who I assume was born Carl/Karl) served in the Spanish American War, 3 yrs at Ft Snelling in Minnesota. (Did find a Carl Hammer who lived in SD, served in the Minnesota Volunteers) and the Cuban Campaign. before settling in Spokane in 1900. I haven't found him on the 1900 Census yet though. He is said to have fathered a girl child prior to his marriage and settling in Spokane. Child is referred to in his will but not named.
This is my first time researching Norwegian ancestors so I am not sure where to go to from here.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/05/2011 : 17:04:11
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When was Charles Iver Smith or C.I. Sandstad born? That is vital information to the search.
To search for a birth/baptism you need to know WHERE in Norway you want to search.
The 1875 census databases online are NOT complete. The 1865 census is a much better tool to use.
Near the port/city of Trondheim in Sør-Trøndelag is a clerical district known as Byneset. The 1865 Norwegian census shows a John Iversen living as a foster child to a man listed as Ole Johnsen and living on a farm called Hammer in Byneset. Perhaps this is the "John Iver Hammer" you mention above. His birthplace is listed as Buvik which is parish in Byneset district.
Question - "travelled on the Oslo in1912" and "migrated about 1880"?? which? that is confusing.
I'm sure several of us here will start to do some searching but you can get familiar with the basics while we do that.
Good information to begin to understand Norwegian ancestry research -
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/articles.html
Online study material to learn about Norwegian naming practices and patterns.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na12.html
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/names.htm
http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/farms.htm
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/05/2011 : 17:34:49
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Hi,
Very interesting that Charles' middle name is Iver and John's middle initial is I.
Here is the only Chritina Benson in the online Minnesota Death index in Beltrami County:
BENSON, ALMA CHRISTINA
Date of Birth: na
Place of Birth: na
Mother Maiden Name: na
certid# 1934-MN-000603
Date of Death: 16 Mar 1934
County of Death: BELTRAMI
Jackie M.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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3351 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2011 : 17:51:52
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John Iversen Hammer was born out of wedlock on 24 Sept 1858 on the Hammer farm in Buvik, Byneset, Sør-Trøndelag.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2363&idx_id=2363&uid=ny&idx_side=-101
Familysearch.org website lists that a female child named Kristine was born 28 Oct 1875 to the same father (Iver Estensen) in Byneset, Sør-Trøndelag. I was unable to find the original record.
Familysearch.org also lists that Iver Estensen and the same mother of Kristine had a son named Kristopher on 26 Jul 1873 in Buvik parish.
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html
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shanananderson
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Posted - 16/05/2011 : 18:19:39
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Oh Hopkins you are my hero! Thank you so much I am sure this family is a match! That Birth date is Charles' birth date! I am doing the ever well known happy dance right now!!!!
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shanananderson
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Posted - 16/05/2011 : 18:25:50
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Re: the 1912 and 1880 migration. I think he must have went back for a visit and this record is of his travelling from Norway back to America!.
Also since I posted this I found a Wisconsin Birth Record for Sam and Christina's child, shows her maiden name as Sandstid. So maybe they lived on a farm called Sandstad?
Thank you for the links to get some background information. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/05/2011 : 18:56:18
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Good finding.
Hammer 1865 in Byneset
John Iversen fosterchild to Ole Olsen 56 and Randi Lødensdatter 50, John´s parents fisherman Iver Estensens and Anne (Inger in the bap. record) Olsdatter, both unmarried.
Ole Olsen´s family staus "Kaarmand" and wife Randi Lødensdatter, both former owners of Hammer, probably a son, Mons Olsen, owned the farm.
Perhaps Ole 56 and Randi 50 are Anne´s parents?.
Iver and Anne´s family status "inderste", both were related to the owner Mons Olsen 38 (perhaps sister and "b.-in-law")?
Only a thorough investigation can confirm this.
Kåre
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/05/2011 : 19:32:01
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Kristophers baptismal record is #7.
Kristines baptismal record is #18. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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3351 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2011 : 19:47:46
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The brief pieces of information gathered above would seem to indicate that John I. Hammer was the older half-brother of "Charles" and "Christine", that at least John and "Charles" were both born on the farm known as Hammer and that by the time "Christine" was born the family was living on a farm called Husby (Sandstad) -- Sandstad could be a local name for a small section of Husby (or the other way around... I don't know the area).
Your friend is off to a good start. Make sure you share the helps and hints we've given above and encourage them to get into researching their own family history. Ancestral research into Norwegian records and history takes a little study to start with but the records are plentiful, full of information and readily available.
Now -- if YOUR name is Anderson are you descended from Norwegians too?? |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/05/2011 : 20:00:37
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Need a confirmation that Kristopher = Charles (Born July 26 1873 at Hammer)
His parents were married Oct 23 1870 in Bø, Nordland, see #9.
Iver Estensen was born out of wedlock March 11 1832, see #28. His father was Esten Andersen, Huusbye and the mother was Andrea Olsdatter.
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Edited by - eibache on 16/05/2011 20:17:44 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/05/2011 : 20:30:52
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Iver Estensen Hammer moved to Northern Norway and farmed on Gustad where he married Kristine Andrine Valborg Kristoffersdatter in Bø on Oct. 23. 1870.
Fathers: Esten Krangsaas in Børsa and Kristoffer Nilsen (Pedersen), see bottom page #9
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Edited by - Kåarto on 16/05/2011 20:38:01 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/05/2011 : 22:04:49
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| Kristopher Iversen moved out of Buvik April 1892, see #1. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/05/2011 : 22:19:33
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Hi,
And Kristine on the same page quoted above left in 1894!
Here is Sandstad listings from the Wiscoin Historical Society website:
Name Type Date County
Sandstad, Christina Marriage Jun 02 1894 Price
Sandstadt, Charles Marriage Nov 02 1899 Douglas
Charles' partner is not found but Christina's is Sam B. Benson.
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Edited by - jkmarler on 16/05/2011 22:30:30 |
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shanananderson
Starting member
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Posted - 17/05/2011 : 03:23:15
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Thanks for all this so far! Lots to follow up on!
Charles Iver Smith has his date of Birth as 26 Jul 1873 on two separate sources. Naturalization Papers and his WWI Draft Card.
He says on the Naturalization Papers that he left April 18th 1892 from Trondjhem. So this would fit well with the record showing Kristopher Iversen moved out of Buvik April 1892.
My husband's Andersons are Highland Scots! So yes there must be some Scandinavian way back there somewhere but we have only been able to track down his lineage to a John Anderson 1790! Needle in a haystack to be sure.
I so wish I had some Norwegians of my own to search for. Instead I am just what my brother says, Iowegian (from Iowa). |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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3351 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2011 : 04:16:22
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Former Iowegian here too. My family for the last few generations is from northern Iowa and originally emigrated from Norway with names like Hanson, Olson, Larson, Pederson, Bjornson, etc. etc. etc.
I was first called Iowegian by a big tall Scot/Irish fireman inlaw from St. Paul Minnesota. He told me it was for a "Norweigan Iowan". I'd never heard it before that. |
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