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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 06/09/2011 : 04:07:55
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I can find quite a bit of information on Lars Endresen Flotten. I have found him in the 1801 Census
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As well as his confirmation record Lars
These records would point to a birth year of 1776 or 1777 but I have not been able to locate him. Any help would be appreciated.
The birth record for his wife Torbor Olsdatter is equally difficult to find. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 08:58:24
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Lars Endresen, Flottorv and Torbør Olsdatter, Haartveed were married Jan 23 1797, see left column.
No hint of birth in another parish for either of them.
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Edited by - eibache on 06/09/2011 09:52:43 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 09:06:21
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Found a Torborg Olsdatter bap. March 8. 1775.
Parents Ole Olsen Asdaleie and Torborg Knudsdatter , last bap left page, Torborg is undelined, Torborg
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hasto
Senior member
Norway
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 22:43:47
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The Grindheim church books before 1792 are missing.
Torborg (Torber) Olsdatter was from Haartveit. Her parents probably were Ole Børusen (50) and Dorte Tommesdatter (48) in 1801 census. Torborg Olsdatter named her third son Børu.
Lars Endresen Flottorp married 1797. After him widower Endre Larsen Flottorp married to girl Ane Kristine Larsdatter Madland. That must be the father of your Lars.. He is on Madland in 1801 census and has named his first daughter Ranni. She is probably named after his first wife, the mother of Lars. Lars and Torborg also name their first daughter Ranei (=Ranni) in May 1806 |
Harald S Storaker
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2011 : 02:47:23
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| Thank you Harold, I should have expected that your knowledge of the Agder region would be a big help in this instance. I am going to look at the Bygdebøker for Grindheim and Bjelland this week to see if I can find out any thing further. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/09/2011 : 22:16:35
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The bygdebok of Marcus Brieland on Grindheim lists the parents of Torborg Olsdatter as Ole Larsen and Ingeborg Sivertsdatter Ubostad. No dates are given for marriages or baptisms for either Ole or Ingeborg The children are listed as Lars, myndig, Daniel, 14 år, Torborg. I assume the 14 år refers to Daniel. Also the book states "Ole Larson var frå Hårtveit - Etter folketeljinga i 1801 sat.". I have not yet been able to find him in the 1801 Census.
I take that back. I found Ole and Ingeborg using Daniel as my guide. Torborg was obviously married by then.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=44&filnamn=f1801&gardpostnr=30206&personpostnr=443017&merk=443017#ovre |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/09/2011 : 17:24:43
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Using the bygdebok one can find Lars Endresson Hårtveit married to Berte Olsdatter. Listed are four children after Lars died in 1785. Ole, myndig, Endre, myndig, Jonas, myndig and Ingeri, 15 år. Ole Larson married Ingeborg Siversdatter Ubostad and had child Torborg Olsdatter who married the unknown Lars Endreson Flotten. Jonas can be found in the 1801 census living at Øvre Flotorv. (same as Flotten?). A case can be made but with only circumstantial evidence that Endre listed above is the same as Endre Larson Ubostad first married to Randi Børusdatter and father to Lars Endreson Flotten then married to Ane Christine Baardsdatter Madland as listed above.
One main issue with this construction is that this would make Torborg Olsdatter and Lars Endreson Flotten first cousins, which I would assume would be frowned upon by Norwegian society of that time. Any comments would be appreciated.
I should also add that the bygdebok does not have this direct relationship. It does not give any further details of the son Endre of Lars Endreson. |
Edited by - AntonH on 09/09/2011 17:48:09 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 09/09/2011 : 20:16:48
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Hi,
From The Mountain of Names: A History of the Human Family by Alex Shoumatoff, 1985 page 231:
" 'if we could only get into God's memory, said Robin Fox recently, 'we would find that eighty per cent of the world's marriages have been with second cousins.'"
I have personally searched 3 Norwegian American families in which an uncle married a niece and have read of numerous first cousin marriages. There is nothing new under the sun and it has all been done before.
Whether or not it's true in this case needs further research.
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Lislcat
Advanced member
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Posted - 09/09/2011 : 20:22:25
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I don't think it was frowned upon that harshly, because I do have some married cousins in my line. I've always thought it explained a few of the odd ducks in my family.  |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/09/2011 : 22:05:26
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Hi,
Myndig means Age of majority.
In Norway 1891 every 14. marriage were between 1. cousins or cousins from then to be increasingly rare.
The law of 1687 (Christian V´s law) forbade marriages up to 2. cousins.
In practice is was allowed against "Kongelig bevilling" Royal license.
Royal license to marry was also granted for other reasons in the 1700s.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/09/2011 : 03:59:19
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| Interesting, maybe not as far fetched as I had orginally thought. |
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Lars Endresen Flotten
