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janrm
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 Posted - 08/10/2011 : 18:52:57
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Lovely lyndal40 and jkmarler!
I have started looking for the "1840-Martin" in the databases over here. He does not appear to have gone from Kristiania/Oslo, which may be a good start...
The search goes on! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2011 : 17:41:42
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Jackie, I wonder if your Martin Janssen is the same as the Martin Jansen found in the 1900 US Census from Blue Island, Cook County. I cannot find any Martin Janssen or Jansen or Jensen or other variation in Ogle County in the 1900 US Census. Ogle and Cook are separated by two other counties so it may be a stretch.
Yes, I see what you are saying. Most of the other Janssens in Ogle in 1900 are from Germany (with geb. and gest. on some of the tombstones) so that Martin may an arrival from the old country after 1900 census taken only to die 1901. But the picture is almost impossible to read so we rely on the person who placed it in the register as to correctness of transcription.
On the Blue Island Martin it does say he was naturalized. There are 2 possibles in the database also at familysearch.org:
Martin 1894 who lived at 201 Sedgwick and his witness is John Johnson from 106 Sedgwick; Martin 1893 lived at 265 W. Huron St and his witness is Joseph P Runa also at 265 W. Huron St. The cards in the index don't have age nor entrance to US information so not sure the actual original files will contain any further information or if its there and just lacking on the cards,
Not sure if the actual d.c. of the Martin who died in 1930 might contain more useful information or not. Perhaps the name of the informant, a birth date (just missing from the index) whether body buried and where etc.
Jackie M.
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janrm
Medium member
Norway
80 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2011 : 20:55:17
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Thanks a lot for your effort!
I am however not able to find the 1840 Martin leaving Norway, would have liked to see details regarding the two deaths, in 1901 and 1930, respectively....
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/10/2011 : 22:13:03
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I am however not able to find the 1840 Martin leaving Norway
A conjecture. There is no 1840 Martin. There is only the 1848 Martin Jansen from Norway and the 1840 is a mistake. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2011 : 23:17:01
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Hi,
The death in 1930 is in the index at the Illinois Secretary of State. Perhaps you could purchase a copy of the original certificate.
The deathdate in 1901 is the record on a tombstone and doesn't really seem to appear in the the online Illinois death records. That could mean a lot of different things: that there is no "official" state level death certificate; that the person died some place other than Illinois; or that there is only a county level death record that has not been made available online or whatever other circumstance that could lead to no certificate as in "lost, mistook or mislaid".
The birthyear of 1840 is only in the 1900 census listing of the Martin at Blue Island. If that Martin indeed did die in 1930, there could be as many as 3 US census schedules that he could be on in which his birthyear is corrected to apprx 1847 or not.
It might also be possible to find an obituary for the 1930 Martin as there used to be a website online for the archive of the Chicago Tribune. It covered dates from 1852 to now but getting copies was for pay. You might have to buy a copy to find if he might be your man or not....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/search/dispatcher.front?Query=archives&target=article
Jackie M.
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janrm
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Norway
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2011 : 16:35:55
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His name is written as Johnsen on the ships manifest and his son has the name Johan. I am farilly certain that this is the right family as the name next to his on the ships manifest is that of Paul Th Schanke and wife Anna. Also interesting is that he is American.
Name: Martin Johnsen
Arrival Date: 6 Aug 1887
Birth Year: abt 1847
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: American
Place of Origin: United States of America
Port of Departure: Christiania, Norway and Christiansand, Norway and Copenhagen, Denmark
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Hekla
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2011 : 16:42:38
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Here is a Martin Johnsen in the 1870 US Census. He is a boarder with a famly named Grindheim in Ogle Illinois. Unmarried in 1870. I cannot find a Martin Jansen or Johnsen or any of the variations in Ogle County in 1880 or 1900 Census.
Name: Martin Johnsen
Birth Year: abt 1847
Age in 1870: 23
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Dement, Ogle, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: View image
Post Office: Creston
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2011 : 20:39:02
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Hi,
 Some of us are as confusing as we are confused!
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 11/10/2011 : 22:13:53
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Sometimes it´s like beeing fare out in the wilderness 
Suddenly you´re on the road again
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jkmarler
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USA
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janrm
Medium member
Norway
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Posted - 21/10/2011 : 08:00:58
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Thanks!
....But still no details about parents - to outrule him completely.... |
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Martin Jansen, to America 1880
